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 Post subject: Re: Buzztime's Smartest Bar promotion
PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 9:24 pm 
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Looks like they've amended the winners list, dropping the fourth score. From the website:
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Region Place Location Name Score
PST1 1st Danny K's Cafe and Billiards 222772
2nd Steel Pit Sports Grill 220409
3rd Scooter's Pub Sports Bar & Grill 210544
Wild Card Toucans 2432169
MST1 1st Rembrandts 237684
2nd Effingbar & Grill 223328
3rd Lakewood Bar & Grill 217206
Wild Card The Village Pub 2568305
CST1 1st George Wellington Esquire Club 204296
2nd DeMoris 201518
3rd Buffalo Wild Wings Mankato 196550
Wild Card Buffalo Wild Wings Savage 2193646
CST2 1st Buffalo Wild Wings Ames 208269
2nd Teasers 206091
3rd The Village Inn 205482
Wild Card Old Chicago Coralville 3607236
CST3 1st Buffalo Wild Wings Creve Coeur 215695
2nd Obrien's Irish Pub 210348
3rd Fat Daddy's Pub and Grill 209399
Wild Card Buffalo Wild Wings Mobile 3040553
CST4 1st Mezzanine Lounge 245983
2nd Shenanigans 218732
3rd Fox and Hound Lewisville 200894
Wild Card Buffalo Wild Wings McKinney 2573525
EST1 1st Broadway Station 216021
2nd Houlihan's Brick Town 214628
3rd Runyons 212282
Wild Card Stewarts Brewing 5723882
EST2 1st Buffalo Wild Wings Kent 230656
2nd Blue Goose Sports Cafe 229440
3rd Hard Times Cafe and Cue 213827
Wild Card Buffalo Wild Wings Belden Village OH 4395914
EST3 1st Rochester Mills 221740
2nd Mitch's Corner 206803
3rd Buffalo Wild Wings Middletown KY 201749
Wild Card Beef 'O' Brady's Newburgh 1930886
EST4 1st Hooters of Tallahassee 203940
2nd Spot On The Alley 190879
3rd Holly Dollys 190266
Wild Card Time Out 2880343
Congrats to the new winners. I'd bet that any bars who were dropped have a pretty decent chance in September, now that many of the other big dogs are out of the race for that month.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:44 am 
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xtrain wrote:
Since the four scores/five scores controversy is more than theoretical to us at Broadway Station because we would have won our division if only the top four scores were counted, but as of now finished second because all five scores were counted, I have posted the question on the Buzztime Facebook page. They promised to look into it. We wouldn't have minded so much as long as we thought we'd get four more cracks at first place in September, but the latest interpretation is that the semi-finalists who earned their spots in June can't participate in September's next semis. Stay tuned, is what Buzztime replied.
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Well, for anyone who's interested, they actually changed the standings and put us first. I'm told by my stat guy that they still haven't got the scores right--Buzztime dropped everybody's first week's score rather than their lowest score, but hey, we're in first place! Party!


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xtrain wrote:
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Since the four scores/five scores controversy is more than theoretical to us at Broadway Station because we would have won our division if only the top four scores were counted, but as of now finished second because all five scores were counted, I have posted the question on the Buzztime Facebook page. They promised to look into it. We wouldn't have minded so much as long as we thought we'd get four more cracks at first place in September, but the latest interpretation is that the semi-finalists who earned their spots in June can't participate in September's next semis. Stay tuned, is what Buzztime replied.
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Well, for anyone who's interested, they actually changed the standings and put us first. I'm told by my stat guy that they still haven't got the scores right--Buzztime dropped everybody's first week's score rather than their lowest score, but hey, we're in first place! Party!


Thanks for the heads up. We were knocked back to second, but after checking, you are correct ... they dropped June 1st instead of the lowest score. Dropping the lowest score, we should have still won (comfortably). I've sent in a note to the Buzzies ... I'll let you know if (when!) they fix the issue.

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Same here - pretty sure we still should be in 3rd (no major issue as we are included as wild card, but like most I would rather get there on score than participation).

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scannon wrote:
xtrain wrote:
xtrain wrote:
Since the four scores/five scores controversy is more than theoretical to us at Broadway Station because we would have won our division if only the top four scores were counted, but as of now finished second because all five scores were counted, I have posted the question on the Buzztime Facebook page. They promised to look into it. We wouldn't have minded so much as long as we thought we'd get four more cracks at first place in September, but the latest interpretation is that the semi-finalists who earned their spots in June can't participate in September's next semis. Stay tuned, is what Buzztime replied.
XT


Well, for anyone who's interested, they actually changed the standings and put us first. I'm told by my stat guy that they still haven't got the scores right--Buzztime dropped everybody's first week's score rather than their lowest score, but hey, we're in first place! Party!


Thanks for the heads up. We were knocked back to second, but after checking, you are correct ... they dropped June 1st instead of the lowest score. Dropping the lowest score, we should have still won (comfortably). I've sent in a note to the Buzzies ... I'll let you know if (when!) they fix the issue.


An update: They haven't sent me a response, but the website appears to be showing the correct scores now, dropping the lowest (under Rankings). The Contest Winners tab still shows the incorrect numbers dropping June 1st instead of the lowest. I'm assuming they're still working on it.

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 Post subject: Re: Buzztime's Smartest Bar promotion
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Still second overall :)

To quote VZZINI/&/TRICE/E COLI . . . Mezzanine must be crushed! :D

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 Post subject: Re: Buzztime's Smartest Bar promotion
PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 11:00 pm 
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If anyone cares, I just sent the following letter to Buzztime on our restaurant's letterhead:

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Dear Ms. Hincks:

I understand that you are responsible for the oversight of Buzztime competitions. I wanted to bring to your attention the ineptitude with which the current “Smartest Bar” Competition seems to have been handled. It is important to note that our bar has actually qualified for the finals in this contest, through the EST1 Wildcard slot, so this is not a case of sour grapes. We are delighted to be involved and we look forward to the arrival of our prize package. It it, rather, an expression of frustration from the perspectives of the players and of a bar that has actively promoted the contest.

The competition has been a confusing mess from day one. Before the detailed rules were posted on your website, I spoke with someone at Buzztime, who informed me that teams in each region would compete for first, second, third and wildcard positions by playing all nine weeks of the semi-finals in June and September. I regret that I did not write down the name of the woman with whom I spoke, but I assure you the conversation took place. I specifically asked, “So this will be unlike every other competition you’ve run, in that you are using the scores from the whole play period, without dropping the lowest?” I was actually somewhat excited by the new scoring rubric, especially inclusion of the wildcard slot.

When the official rules were posted, however, things seemed to change. “The Semi-Final Score for each Location is the total of its top 4 Location Scores during the Semi-Finals Promotion,” it says on your website. This implies that the top four scores will be taken, dropping the lowest five, over the two-month Semi-Final. This is reinforced by the prize valuation rubric. That is to say, one $500 prize and three $250 prizes for each of ten regions totals $12,500, the total prize amount listed in the rules. So we thought we understood.

Then, after the fifth week of June, we were informed that we won a spot in the Finals in November. Oddly, the E-mail also said, “See you Wednesdays in September for the next round of Buzztime’s Smartest Bar Competition.” Further confusing matters, the scores shown for the winners were the totals of all five weeks thus played. Puzzled, I contacted Buzztime by telephone. While Ed at Customer Service was quite friendly, he did not have any answers for me, so I gritted my teeth and went to your Facebook page. (I really don’t care for Facebook and resent the fact that it seems your players, and now your customers, have to go there to have any meaningful contact with you.) I was there informed that the Semi-Finals are actually two separate rounds, with forty winners from each round advancing to the finals. The total prizes are worth $25,000, not $12,500, as stated on the website.

All well and good, I supposed, if confusing. I and several other folks then asked about the scoring, as the lowest score had not been dropped. Someone acknowledged the error and posted new winners with new scores. These were also incorrect, as they simply dropped the scores from June 1, rather than the lowest scores. This error was also finally acknowledged and another set of winning scores posted.

Then we received two E-mails from you, both sent at 9:00 a.m. EST, July 10. One E-mail informed us, “While you didn’t earn a spot in November’s Finals, you’re still in luck! Stewart’s Brewing Company has another opportunity to compete in September.” The other read, “Congratulations! Stewarts Brewing ranked 7 in Buzztime's Smartest Bar Competition. You've earned your place in the November Finals where your bar will compete for the title of Buzztime's Smartest Bar.” Given all of the previous confusion and worried about our standing, I again contacted Customer Service, who researched and assured me that we were, in fact, still in the November Final, by dint of our Wildcard finish.

On the subject of E-mails, I received several E-mails throughout June as a player. Some said thanks for playing and good luck next week. Some said that you’d missed me playing and come back in next week. The odd thing was that I’d played EVERY week. I didn’t even bother bringing these to anyone’s attention until now, but I shudder to think that other players here and elsewhere must have received similarly confounding notes.

Finally, anyone wishing to check out the standings in this competition or check out how they may still qualify currently has a tough time doing so. In May and June, one simply had to go to your website, where an icon for the competition appeared right up front in a scroll with other events. Now it has disappeared. Players must click on “Happenings,” from the vertical menu on the left, then find the Smartest Bar Competition not in the current events scroll, but in the past events scroll. This seems like a silly place to hide it if you’re still trying to drive playership in September.

Please understand that I write this letter only partly out of frustration. Mostly, it’s that we truly enjoy your product here at Stewart’s and want to see it improve. That said, it is extremely frustrating, as a manager who is trying to promote your product and this competition, to have received so much conflicting and erroneous information about it. It is also embarrassing to have to explain it to all of the players here who so enthusiastically embraced our call to arms.

While a return letter from you might well restore my faith in the professionalism of Buzztime’s corporate leadership, your company’s track record on written replies does not leave me holding my breath. (Maybe this will be the one, though?) I do think that it would be in your interest to acknowledge to the general playership that there was some confusion on your part about the competition, or at least that the information you put out at various times was contradictory (or at least puzzling). You must realize that the folks who would participate in this “Smartest Bar Competition” are, by definition, not dumb. Players like me are quick to pick up on inconsistencies. The only thing we enjoy less than feeling like we are being snowed is when we hear nothing at all. Acknowledgment, apology and promises to do better, on your website, on the Scaratings site or even on Facebook, would go a long way toward reassuring your loyal base and restoring their faith in the integrity of Buzztime competitions in the future.

Thank you for your time in reading this rather long letter. Again, it is written because I care, my boss cares and our customers care. I look forward to any response.
I'll let y'all know if there is any response.


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 Post subject: Re: Buzztime's Smartest Bar promotion
PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:27 pm 
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thanks for that thoughtful letter, Akbar.

Once again the Buzzies screw up an interesting competition with their incredible ineptitude.

Can the idiots that run this stuff manage to wipe themselves after a bowel movement?


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:31 pm 
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ranger wrote:
thanks for that thoughtful letter, Akbar.

Once again the Buzzies screw up an interesting competition with their incredible ineptitude.

Can the idiots that run this stuff manage to wipe themselves after a bowel movement?

I actually received a telephone call Tuesday from a Buzzie thanking me for the letter and informing me that a response was on the way. More anon, I gues...


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Cory, the Buzztime rep for Ohio, came to the Blue Goose Wednesday night. I have to wonder with the Buzzies if they visited West By God Virginia for the prize pack??? One of the prizes was a hat with a bottle opener built into it.....

What will one do with that?

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 3:30 pm 
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pengwn wrote:
Still second overall :)

To quote VZZINI/&/TRICE/E COLI . . . Mezzanine must be crushed! :D


It's nice to know our work is appreciated. :mrgreen:


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:08 pm 
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slotek wrote:
pengwn wrote:
Still second overall :)

To quote VZZINI/&/TRICE/E COLI . . . Mezzanine must be crushed! :D


It's nice to know our work is appreciated. :mrgreen:

Just when we think maybe we placed first, usually it's you folks and/or Danny K's that bump us into second place. But we like the challenge

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:55 pm 
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Akbar71 wrote:
If anyone cares, I just sent the following letter to Buzztime on our restaurant's letterhead:

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Dear Ms. Hincks:

I understand that you are responsible for the oversight of Buzztime competitions. I wanted to bring to your attention the ineptitude with which the current “Smartest Bar” Competition seems to have been handled. It is important to note that our bar has actually qualified for the finals in this contest, through the EST1 Wildcard slot, so this is not a case of sour grapes. We are delighted to be involved and we look forward to the arrival of our prize package. It it, rather, an expression of frustration from the perspectives of the players and of a bar that has actively promoted the contest.

The competition has been a confusing mess from day one. Before the detailed rules were posted on your website, I spoke with someone at Buzztime, who informed me that teams in each region would compete for first, second, third and wildcard positions by playing all nine weeks of the semi-finals in June and September. I regret that I did not write down the name of the woman with whom I spoke, but I assure you the conversation took place. I specifically asked, “So this will be unlike every other competition you’ve run, in that you are using the scores from the whole play period, without dropping the lowest?” I was actually somewhat excited by the new scoring rubric, especially inclusion of the wildcard slot.

When the official rules were posted, however, things seemed to change. “The Semi-Final Score for each Location is the total of its top 4 Location Scores during the Semi-Finals Promotion,” it says on your website. This implies that the top four scores will be taken, dropping the lowest five, over the two-month Semi-Final. This is reinforced by the prize valuation rubric. That is to say, one $500 prize and three $250 prizes for each of ten regions totals $12,500, the total prize amount listed in the rules. So we thought we understood.

Then, after the fifth week of June, we were informed that we won a spot in the Finals in November. Oddly, the E-mail also said, “See you Wednesdays in September for the next round of Buzztime’s Smartest Bar Competition.” Further confusing matters, the scores shown for the winners were the totals of all five weeks thus played. Puzzled, I contacted Buzztime by telephone. While Ed at Customer Service was quite friendly, he did not have any answers for me, so I gritted my teeth and went to your Facebook page. (I really don’t care for Facebook and resent the fact that it seems your players, and now your customers, have to go there to have any meaningful contact with you.) I was there informed that the Semi-Finals are actually two separate rounds, with forty winners from each round advancing to the finals. The total prizes are worth $25,000, not $12,500, as stated on the website.

All well and good, I supposed, if confusing. I and several other folks then asked about the scoring, as the lowest score had not been dropped. Someone acknowledged the error and posted new winners with new scores. These were also incorrect, as they simply dropped the scores from June 1, rather than the lowest scores. This error was also finally acknowledged and another set of winning scores posted.

Then we received two E-mails from you, both sent at 9:00 a.m. EST, July 10. One E-mail informed us, “While you didn’t earn a spot in November’s Finals, you’re still in luck! Stewart’s Brewing Company has another opportunity to compete in September.” The other read, “Congratulations! Stewarts Brewing ranked 7 in Buzztime's Smartest Bar Competition. You've earned your place in the November Finals where your bar will compete for the title of Buzztime's Smartest Bar.” Given all of the previous confusion and worried about our standing, I again contacted Customer Service, who researched and assured me that we were, in fact, still in the November Final, by dint of our Wildcard finish.

On the subject of E-mails, I received several E-mails throughout June as a player. Some said thanks for playing and good luck next week. Some said that you’d missed me playing and come back in next week. The odd thing was that I’d played EVERY week. I didn’t even bother bringing these to anyone’s attention until now, but I shudder to think that other players here and elsewhere must have received similarly confounding notes.

Finally, anyone wishing to check out the standings in this competition or check out how they may still qualify currently has a tough time doing so. In May and June, one simply had to go to your website, where an icon for the competition appeared right up front in a scroll with other events. Now it has disappeared. Players must click on “Happenings,” from the vertical menu on the left, then find the Smartest Bar Competition not in the current events scroll, but in the past events scroll. This seems like a silly place to hide it if you’re still trying to drive playership in September.

Please understand that I write this letter only partly out of frustration. Mostly, it’s that we truly enjoy your product here at Stewart’s and want to see it improve. That said, it is extremely frustrating, as a manager who is trying to promote your product and this competition, to have received so much conflicting and erroneous information about it. It is also embarrassing to have to explain it to all of the players here who so enthusiastically embraced our call to arms.

While a return letter from you might well restore my faith in the professionalism of Buzztime’s corporate leadership, your company’s track record on written replies does not leave me holding my breath. (Maybe this will be the one, though?) I do think that it would be in your interest to acknowledge to the general playership that there was some confusion on your part about the competition, or at least that the information you put out at various times was contradictory (or at least puzzling). You must realize that the folks who would participate in this “Smartest Bar Competition” are, by definition, not dumb. Players like me are quick to pick up on inconsistencies. The only thing we enjoy less than feeling like we are being snowed is when we hear nothing at all. Acknowledgment, apology and promises to do better, on your website, on the Scaratings site or even on Facebook, would go a long way toward reassuring your loyal base and restoring their faith in the integrity of Buzztime competitions in the future.

Thank you for your time in reading this rather long letter. Again, it is written because I care, my boss cares and our customers care. I look forward to any response.
I'll let y'all know if there is any response.

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Dear Shawn:

Thank you for the detailed letter you sent to Michele Hincks on July 13, 2011, regarding Buzztime's Smartest Bar promotion. We apologize for the confusion you and your customers had related to the structure of the promotion and for the inaccurate commuications sent during the promotion. I wanted to address a few of te topics mentioned in your letter:

1) Official Rules and Priing - While we tried to outline them as clearly as possible, we obviously did not succeed. We've made some updates to the website, and my hope is that they are more clearly documented, but I would appreciate your feedback to confirm you agree with our assessment.

In both June and September, 40 locations will receive spots to compete in the November's Finals -- for a total of 80 locations in November's Finals. The estimated value of the prizing is $12,500 for both June and September for a total of $25,000. We have updated this online. You can find it here: http://www.buzztime.com/smartest.

2) Customer Service - We are glad that you found our Customer Service folks friendly, but your letter pointed out that we needed improved communication on this promotion. Rest assured that I will personally be briefing our customer service team on the details of Smartest Bar before September's competition.

3) Email Communication - We understand that you receive two types of emails from us: as a player and as a bar owner/customer. We schedule these emails to automatically go out after the promotion game runs each week. At times we have found that the Buzztime PCs in some of our locations take longer to connect with Buzztime's main database that collects information from the previous day's game data. This main 'database' is what we use to pull information and emails on which players have participated in games, what their scores were, etc. Because of that delay in reporting, some of our players, including you, it appears, have received and email that said "we missed you".

4) Winner Announcement - We unfortunately experienced issues relating to the winner's list for June's Smartest Bar promotions. Following up on your call into our Customer Service center and your message on Facebook, we hope we were able to quickly solve the issue (and have identified the underlying cause to ensure it won't happen again in future promotion).

Again, I sincerely apologize for any inconvenience. Your feedback is extremely helpful to us. Stewart's Brewing Company has been a valuable Buzztime customer since May of 1999, and we look forward to continuing that relationship. We also hope you enjoyed the prizing and Wild Card trophy you received for your participation in June's Smartest Bar promotion. Please feel free to contact me directly if you have any further questions or concerns.

Sincerely,

Taryn Weiss
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 4:28 pm 
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I followed the link, and it's much, much clearer now

To summarize:
• Each site that qualified for the Finals in June will not be considered in September's tables
• The scoring for the second semi-final will be best 3 weeks out of 4, i.e. there's still one drop score
• Alexis is going to go for a well-deserved holiday [s]when[/s] if Rembrandts wins :mrgreen:

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 4:49 pm 
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Akbar71 wrote:
If anyone cares, I just sent the following letter to Buzztime on our restaurant's letterhead:

{deletia}

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And here's the response!

{deletia}

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1) Official Rules and Priing - While we tried to outline them as clearly as possible, we obviously did not succeed. We've made some updates to the website, and my hope is that they are more clearly documented, but I would appreciate your feedback to confirm you agree with our assessment.

In both June and September, 40 locations will receive spots to compete in the November's Finals -- for a total of 80 locations in November's Finals. The estimated value of the prizing is $12,500 for both June and September for a total of $25,000. We have updated this online. You can find it here: http://www.buzztime.com/smartest.



Back on May 30th, I asked the following question on the Buzztime Trivia Facebook page:

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For the smartest bar competition: are semifinal winners being declared in both June and September, or do you play both months and the winners are declared in September?


And on May 31st, the day before the Smartest Bar competition started, Buzztime replied as follows:

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All semi-finals winners will be declared in September.


So the rules were also unclear to the Buzztime staff, including those responsible for communicating with the public about them.

As it currently has been changed, I think this rule is a colossal blunder. The optimal strategy for all sites that qualified in June is to play September at a different site. Once a team of players has qualified two sites, they can decide in November at which to play the finals. By qualifying two sites in the two semifinal competitions, and then abandoning one of them for the finals, the number of potential opponents in the finals will be reduced by up to 50%; thereby increasing any team of players chances of winning thr final by up to double. The potential effect of having two sets of semifinals is to reduce the field in the finals by up to half, as the abandoned sites can be counted on to be non-competitive. This also gives the teams some negotiating status, as they can select which of their qualfied sites for the finals based on which site gives them the best offer, has the most boxes, the best wings, etc.

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As it currently has been changed, I think this rule is a colossal blunder. The optimal strategy for all sites that qualified in June is to play September at a different site. Once a team of players has qualified two sites, they can decide in November at which to play the finals. By qualifying two sites in the two semifinal competitions, and then abandoning one of them for the finals, the number of potential opponents in the finals will be reduced by up to 50%; thereby increasing any team of players chances of winning thr final by up to double. The potential effect of having two sets of semifinals is to reduce the field in the finals by up to half, as the abandoned sites can be counted on to be non-competitive. This also gives the teams some negotiating status, as they can select which of their qualfied sites for the finals based on which site gives them the best offer, has the most boxes, the best wings, etc.

TFM

I hear what you're saying here and I could be wrong about this, but I don't think it would apply to more than a handful of teams. I know at Stewart's our players seem to have more of a bar loyalty than a team loyalty. I can see some teams shopping bars, but not many. (Please let me know if you think I'm wrong on that; I'm curious.)


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Akbar71 wrote:
Torquemada wrote:

As it currently has been changed, I think this rule is a colossal blunder. The optimal strategy for all sites that qualified in June is to play September at a different site. Once a team of players has qualified two sites, they can decide in November at which to play the finals. By qualifying two sites in the two semifinal competitions, and then abandoning one of them for the finals, the number of potential opponents in the finals will be reduced by up to 50%; thereby increasing any team of players chances of winning the final by up to double. The potential effect of having two sets of semifinals is to reduce the field in the finals by up to half, as the abandoned sites can be counted on to be non-competitive. This also gives the teams some negotiating status, as they can select which of their qualfied sites for the finals based on which site gives them the best offer, has the most boxes, the best wings, etc.

TFM

I hear what you're saying here and I could be wrong about this, but I don't think it would apply to more than a handful of teams. I know at Stewart's our players seem to have more of a bar loyalty than a team loyalty. I can see some teams shopping bars, but not many. (Please let me know if you think I'm wrong on that; I'm curious.)


I expect several teams to jump; the strategy seems obvious and the benefit of reducing competition rather clear. But, I really expect a lot more individual players to jump then I do entire teams. It's tough for a very good player with a competitive nature to sit out an entire month when there's swag to be won.

Since players can change names, we'll only know if it happened when the results from the first week or two of the finals are posted. If sites that make the final start averaging 10K a game or less while a nearby site that also qualified averages in the 40K-55K range, I think this will be a good explanation.

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Akbar71 wrote:
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As it currently has been changed, I think this rule is a colossal blunder. The optimal strategy for all sites that qualified in June is to play September at a different site. Once a team of players has qualified two sites, they can decide in November at which to play the finals. By qualifying two sites in the two semifinal competitions, and then abandoning one of them for the finals, the number of potential opponents in the finals will be reduced by up to 50%; thereby increasing any team of players chances of winning thr final by up to double. The potential effect of having two sets of semifinals is to reduce the field in the finals by up to half, as the abandoned sites can be counted on to be non-competitive. This also gives the teams some negotiating status, as they can select which of their qualfied sites for the finals based on which site gives them the best offer, has the most boxes, the best wings, etc.

TFM

I hear what you're saying here and I could be wrong about this, but I don't think it would apply to more than a handful of teams. I know at Stewart's our players seem to have more of a bar loyalty than a team loyalty. I can see some teams shopping bars, but not many. (Please let me know if you think I'm wrong on that; I'm curious.)

the west park station team will be playing somewhere else in the cleveland area in september. we don't play on wednesdays unless there is a tournament. we read the rules to mean that we were supposed to play in june and september and we fully expected to play in november. we do mean to play in september even after they changed/clarified the rules. our team likes to play in tournaments and if there is a tournament that we can play in we will.


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 Post subject: Re: Buzztime's Smartest Bar promotion
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Clearly, Torquemada's heretical suggestion to betray one's home bar calls for an Inquisition.

Seriously, as with so many other competitions, it seems as though the organizers have not thought it through very well and are making up the rules as they go along. At least Shawn the Akbar's letter got them to put something clearer in writing.

If they had simpler competitions, organized by state or region, but including all sites, for each 1-hour prenium game, with monthly winners based on the top averages for all weeks of that month (none dropped) and a small prize, including a plaque or cup for the winner the first time in a year, or small engraved plates that could be added to it for subsequent wins in the same game in the same year, more widespread interest and participation could be maintained. A monthly, quarterly, or annual "smartest bar" could then be declared with some legitimacy by comparing the highest totals on adding the monthly averages for all premium games for each winning location. Since the teams would likely likely vary from game to game, this would be more strictly a site competition, and its success would be dependent on management's insurance that the system was always working, with enough Playmakers charged, etc. Some prize for management, such as a free month of service to the winner quarterly, might induce them to pay some attention amd even promote local participation with small local prizes for, say, top 20 rankings for the site.

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 Post subject: Re: Buzztime's Smartest Bar promotion
PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:12 pm 
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If they had simpler competitions, organized by state or region, but including all sites, for each 1-hour prenium game, with monthly winners based on the top averages for all weeks of that month (none dropped) and a small prize, including a plaque or cup for the winner the first time in a year, or small engraved plates that could be added to it for subsequent wins in the same game in the same year, more widespread interest and participation could be maintained. A monthly, quarterly, or annual "smartest bar" could then be declared with some legitimacy by comparing the highest totals on adding the monthly averages for all premium games for each winning location. Since the teams would likely likely vary from game to game, this would be more strictly a site competition, and its success would be dependent on management's insurance that the system was always working, with enough Playmakers charged, etc. Some prize for management, such as a free month of service to the winner quarterly, might induce them to pay some attention amd even promote local participation with small local prizes for, say, top 20 rankings for the site.

I love this idea. Hell, if they just sent out some cheap token for the regional/international winners of each game it would really buy some involvement from the teams and bar owners. I can see the BT pride walls already. Are you okay with me making the suggestion when I follow up with Ms. Weiss?

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Shawn the Akbar

I like the sound of that, too. 8-)


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 Post subject: Re: Buzztime's Smartest Bar promotion
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Akbar71 wrote:
Falcon wrote:
If they had simpler competitions, organized by state or region, but including all sites, for each 1-hour prenium game, with monthly winners based on the top averages for all weeks of that month (none dropped) and a small prize, including a plaque or cup for the winner the first time in a year, or small engraved plates that could be added to it for subsequent wins in the same game in the same year, more widespread interest and participation could be maintained. A monthly, quarterly, or annual "smartest bar" could then be declared with some legitimacy by comparing the highest totals on adding the monthly averages for all premium games for each winning location. Since the teams would likely likely vary from game to game, this would be more strictly a site competition, and its success would be dependent on management's insurance that the system was always working, with enough Playmakers charged, etc. Some prize for management, such as a free month of service to the winner quarterly, might induce them to pay some attention amd even promote local participation with small local prizes for, say, top 20 rankings for the site.

I love this idea. Hell, if they just sent out some cheap token for the regional/international winners of each game it would really buy some involvement from the teams and bar owners. I can see the BT pride walls already. Are you okay with me making the suggestion when I follow up with Ms. Weiss?

Falcon wrote:
Shawn the Akbar

I like the sound of that, too. 8-)


By all means, pass it on to anyone that you think might help. If the new Ms Weiss is any relation to the Triv Goddess of the 90s, Debra Weiss, there might even be some hope!

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 Post subject: Re: Buzztime's Smartest Bar promotion
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I already know two winning June teams that plan to move to another site to be able to win in September. The question I have is why would anybody want to win food at BWW.


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If anyone cares, I just sent the following letter to Buzztime on our restaurant's letterhead:
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While Ed at Customer Service was quite friendly, he did not have any answers for me, so I gritted my teeth and went to your Facebook page. (I really don’t care for Facebook and resent the fact that it seems your players, and now your customers, have to go there to have any meaningful contact with you.)

Based on my most recent experiences with posing questions on the NTN Buzztime, Inc. Facebook page (and, as in far too many cases in the past on their website and elsewhere in their history, both in my case and others), the promptness of response and meaningfulness of contact (assuming, of course, that any response or contact is made) leaves much to be desired.

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No comments yet about locations cheating last night?

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 Post subject: Re: Buzztime's Smartest Bar promotion
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liljol wrote:
Akbar71 wrote:
If anyone cares, I just sent the following letter to Buzztime on our restaurant's letterhead:
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While Ed at Customer Service was quite friendly, he did not have any answers for me, so I gritted my teeth and went to your Facebook page. (I really don’t care for Facebook and resent the fact that it seems your players, and now your customers, have to go there to have any meaningful contact with you.)

Based on my most recent experiences with posing questions on the NTN Buzztime, Inc. Facebook page (and, as in far too many cases in the past on their website and elsewhere in their history, both in my case and others), the promptness of response and meaningfulness of contact (assuming, of course, that any response or contact is made) leaves much to be desired.


Have you considered you may intimidate them as you've seen more of their installations than anyone else in their organization has? :)


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