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 Post subject: Re: Badges as a new evidence trail
PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 7:10 pm 
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Never understood why someone would kill a 59xx/7 score to protect an average though - how the hell good do you want the avg to be?

Full disclosure - when playing partial games upon arriving or leaving (I'm not going to sit for 15 minutes after finishing beer and paying just to complete a game, and while I try I sometimes fail to get to a seat precisely between x:24 and x:30 etc) I make sure I answer no more than 7.


The key reason he was "killing" a game was to be able to change his name. He would start out as FSHMAN, but towards the end of the game he would use the manager's functions to change the name to something negative towards Republicans, such as F GOP, F BUSH, F RUSH, etc. He's been known to flood political opinions at every bar in Louisville, by raking up very good trivia scores, then changing the name at the last minute from his normal handle to something political. He will play heavily at every bar in the city at the start of the month, thus his high scores and political message would be there all month long.

His scores are legit. He is truly a good trivia player. But he insists on displaying a political message, which made people in Louisville think less of him. Hopefully by Buzztime shutting down his ability to get into the manager's functions, his days of using Buzztime to make a political statement are coming to an end.

Nah. Fshman can still play any game as F something right wing, he just can't change the handle midway through anymore. It might become more difficult for him to load up local leader boards, but after reading the accounts provided of him, I doubt he's been hobbled with an insurmountable hurdle to this end

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 Post subject: It's time to move on...
PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:33 pm 
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I think it is time to move on, and put this thread to rest. I think that everyone, who knows FSHMAN, knows what a smart and good guy he is. If he did some silly shenanigans, I think we can forgive him for it. I can think of no reason why anyone needs to hammer him any more than they have already done. It's over... The posts I have been reading have become very repetitive, and frankly very boring as well. I would say that anyone, who posts more to this thread beyond here needs to take a look at their personal life, read their kids a book, check that their cat's or dog's bowl has enough food, finish the New York Times Sunday crossword puzzle, mow their lawn to decapitate all of those dandelions that have sprouted up, take a deep breath, and realize that this thread is over and done.

There is no reason for any more of this... It's time to move on... :D

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 Post subject: Re: It's time to move on...
PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 10:29 am 
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Cloudy wrote:
I would say that anyone, who posts more to this thread beyond here needs to take a look at their personal life, read their kids a book, check that their cat's or dog's bowl has enough food, finish the New York Times Sunday crossword puzzle, mow their lawn to decapitate all of those dandelions that have sprouted up, take a deep breath, and realize that this thread is over and done.

I have no kids, no pets, don't do crossword puzzles, and no lawn to take care of.

Actually, it's time to move on to ROGUE. Did a bit of digging last night and found some interesting things regarding time stamps, but need some more evidence to completely put it all together.

By the way, kudos to whales for figuring out how useful these badges can be in regards to various things.

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 Post subject: Re: It's time to move on...
PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 10:48 am 
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-BO- wrote:
Cloudy wrote:
I would say that anyone, who posts more to this thread beyond here needs to take a look at their personal life, read their kids a book, check that their cat's or dog's bowl has enough food, finish the New York Times Sunday crossword puzzle, mow their lawn to decapitate all of those dandelions that have sprouted up, take a deep breath, and realize that this thread is over and done.

I have no kids, no pets, don't do crossword puzzles, and no lawn to take care of.

Actually, it's time to move on to ROGUE. Did a bit of digging last night and found some interesting things regarding time stamps, but need some more evidence to completely put it all together.

By the way, kudos to whales for figuring out how useful these badges can be in regards to various things.

Well, hell, I have no known kids Image, no pets, haven't done a crossword in way more than a lil while, and no lawn. Image

My sense is that those who are familiar with FSHMAN are stunned that NTN Buzztime came down on him so quickly, certainly when compared to what that lowlife ROGUE has been doing for far too long already.

Sorry, CLOUDY, but this thread has served (and continues to serve) a most useful purpose, and deserves to continue as long as there are frauds like ROGUE out there. Image

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 Post subject: Re: It's time to move on...
PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 11:16 am 
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liljol wrote:
Well, hell, I have no known kids Image, no pets, haven't done a crossword in way more than a lil while, and no lawn. Image

My sense is that those who are familiar with FSHMAN are stunned that NTN Buzztime came down on him so quickly, certainly when compared to what that lowlife ROGUE has been doing for far too long already.

Sorry, CLOUDY, but this thread has served (and continues to serve) a most useful purpose, and deserves to continue as long as there are frauds like ROGUE out there. Image

And we are both grumpy bastards.

ROGUE will get his also, fear not lil grumpy buddy.

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 Post subject: Re: Badges as a new evidence trail
PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 3:13 pm 
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-BO- wrote:
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just played questions of a partial game at 5 o'clock central then killed it. - we should see 3 badges show up but n record of the game tomorrow.

3 badges in 14 questions? Pretty good for you I suppose.... :shock: :D


Well sadly there is no way to check this demonstration beyond the fact that the killed game doesn't show up in gameplay history, as with my usual unerring sense of timing I managed to try it on a day when no badges at all show up for me as of this time (and while I suppose it's technically possible to have a couple of 14k games without a single 1000pt answer I'm pretty sure I didn't manage it). We'll see if they show up later.

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 Post subject: Re: Badges as a new evidence trail
PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 1:34 am 
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OK, let's mention some things about ROGUE and his myriad of handles. Basically any high LTT average in the Mesa/Phoenix area is one of his.

Almost every perfect score comes during daylight saving time. Between 11/6/11 and 3/11/12 there has been many non-perfects/quit games. Both before 11/6 and after 3/11 scores are nearly perfect across the board.

Two states don't observe DST, AZ and HI. In the stats for AZ during DST, LTT runs from 11a-2p just like it should. During standard time LTT runs from 10a-1p just like it should because at that time AZ is one hour ahead of Carlsbad. But what I can't figure out from the badge time stamps is that the badge time is always 1 hour later than the game time no matter the time of year. Shouldn't the time stamps match during DST time since AZ and Carlsbad is the same? It's a little confusing right now, if we could find a location(s) in AZ where the time stamps match then we've got something.

However, locations in HI show things differently, I think. Currently LTT runs from 2-5p, therefore you'd think it would run from 1-4p before 3/11. But it doesn't, it still runs from 2-5p according to Carlsbad time. I have no clue what this all means.

This time zone business is a little tricky to me, hopefully others can take a look at it and make heads or tails of things.

Lastly, some of ROGUE's handles have P+ totals that end in 99, just like some of FSHMAN's did. Can't help but wonder if the 99 tag occurs at time when you kill games in a certain way. We all know there is no logical reason other than weird CPU error why a total should end with 99. Don't think it's merely random chance that the known manipulators have multiple handles that do this. Are there any other players with this?

Edit - no player in the top 1000 P+ points has a total ending in 99, I think I've seen at least 6 handles between FSHMAN and ROGUE that do.

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 Post subject: Re: Badges as a new evidence trail
PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:14 am 
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I had been wondering if the "99" flag on a P+ total was maybe something that Buzztime itself had placed on certain accounts that they were keeping an eye on. Easier for them than anyone else to subtract 1 point from an account.

Regarding computer clocks and DST, I had been wondering if Buzztime's intention is to control all of their computers-in-the-field's clocks themselves from Carlsbad and immune them from any kind of automated DST scheduled changes. Regarding Arizona, it might be more straightforward for them to just keep Arizona as Mountain Time and just let the local lunchtime hours change back and forth, i.e. 11 to 2 before that day in March and now 10 to 1 true local time (although the badge clocks still read as 11 to 2 local as if they were true Mountain with DST instead of de facto Pacific). Then when any of this is hacked all bets are off. If Arizona were currently broadcasting Lunchtime feed from 10 to 1 local, or some 10 to 1 and others 11 to 2, would any of us know?

Indiana could be a clue. I just learned from Spotes that it is no longer true that The official Eastern Time part of Indiana doesn't do DST and that now they do (did I understand right?). But then there is Evansville and Gary which have always been Central Time and always had DST (again, do I have that right). I think Rhino is now in Evansville or has played there recently, and I think he reports that he gets Late Shift at 9 local. This could be a clue that Buzztime never wanted to get into treating different parts of Indiana differently and so they just place it all in the east, creating this pocket of exception to their "Late-Shift-always-10-local". They might similarly be simplifying Arizona for themselves by placing it in Mountain permanently (and moving Arizona's clocks on DST day even though the state doesn't do it).

Good luck with this. If it comes down to really really needing someone to make a road trip to, say, Bullhead or Havasu City, I might be talkable into it.


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 Post subject: Re: Badges as a new evidence trail
PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:27 am 
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Ah - the badges have caught up.

Here we see a 5:18pm 4/7 CD badge about 2/3 down the page - badges are in local, Central time:

http://www.buzztime.com/players/bt_prof ... rev=recent

Here we see a gameplay history with no 3pm 4/7 CD game recorded at all because I killed it - gameplay history is in Pacific time:

http://www.buzztime.com/players/bt_prof ... =87&stp=gh

If badges and gameplay history look like these, the answer as to why will always be killing games.

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 Post subject: Re: Badges as a new evidence trail
PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:32 am 
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Whales I should point out while Evansville is indeed CT, and DST is indeed statewide, we get all other games with the regular E/CT feed. Six and Showdown at 7pm local etc. It's just that our Late Shift starts at 9pm. I cannot play a 9pm Central CD even if I wanted to.

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 Post subject: Re: Badges as a new evidence trail
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I forgot one tidbit, when he was in Vegas in January he aced every LTT game he played. Simple explanation would be that at that time Vegas is one hour behind Arizona and he was simply receiving answers from a cohort in AZ and entering them an hour later. I'd bet if he visited Vegas now his scores would suffer.


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 Post subject: Re: Badges as a new evidence trail
PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:12 am 
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Exactly Rhino and thank you for confirming - my theory is that Buzztime has placed all of Indiana in "BT Eastern" rather than have Evansville in "BT Central" - for their own simplification. It would not affect premiums like Six, and would only affect the LT/CD and CD/LS changeovers. It would be as if Buzztime keeps control over Evansville location clocks as one hour later than you know it to be, matching the rest of Indiana rather than the rest of Central. I think it makes you the exception that you can get a Late Shift stamp at 9:01 local, the stamp clock being more conventional, while somewhere else in the computer is the broadcast clock that says 10:00 like the rest of Indiana and therefore time for Late Shift. If this clock were to get corrected in good or in bad faith then you might become another Arizona, where the broadcast clock is supposed to be wrong for half the year but has in spots been corrected.


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 Post subject: Re: It's time to move on...
PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 12:10 pm 
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Well, hell, I have no known kids Image, no pets, haven't done a crossword in way more than a lil while, and no lawn. Image

You mean there could be other Lil Joels running around?

With apologies to Tiefly -- EGADS!!! :shock:

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 Post subject: Re: Badges as a new evidence trail
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BO - sounds like what you need is a four-hour test case/time window. Pick an upcoming day.

The four hour window is the full three hour offering of LT in "known mountain" use Colorado or Calgary. Ignore the clock and think badges only, there would be 84. Blend with the full three hour offering of LT in "known pacific". It should be a shifted three hours, with two hours and 56 badges in common with mountain, and 28 badges unique to each zone. You have a sequence of 112 badges. This is how Buzztime describes as the way LT currently works - like a "feed" but possibly still just a download of all six hours to all locations - with instructions to broadcast a particular three of the six.

Then tackle Arizona. Sounds like you're saying that all badge time stamps in Arizona are Colorado-style... But are they getting Colorado's 84 badge set or California's 84? Or some locations one or the other? You might eventually find some players in Arizona receiving a "Colorado" badge stamped 12:03 and others receiving a "California" badge stamped 12:03, regardless of whether they both say game time is 11 pacific.


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 Post subject: Re: Badges as a new evidence trail
PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 9:28 pm 
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whales wrote:
If it comes down to really really needing someone to make a road trip to, say, Bullhead or Havasu City, I might be talkable into it.


As it turns out, GAVV is going out there next week and ROGUE's name came up tonight.
Hopefully he'll be able to squeeze some detective work into his schedule.


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 Post subject: Re: Badges as a new evidence trail
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I firmly believe that the single playmaker theory is shear bunk and that the Whalie Commission report is a placebo for the BT masses. No single FSHMAN, however skilled, could have performed such a monumental feat acting without at least several accomplices, lurking in the grassy knoll taverns in the Louisville environs.

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I firmly believe that the single playmaker theory is shear bunk and that the Whalie Commission report is a placebo for the BT masses. No single FSHMAN, however skilled, could have performed such a monumental feat acting without at least several accomplices, lurking in the grassy knoll taverns in the Louisville environs.

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I'm pretty sure you'll find that CLOUDY was paid off by the Cubans/Russians if that trail can be uncovered.

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 Post subject: Re: Badges as a new evidence trail
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BUD wrote:
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I firmly believe that the single playmaker theory is shear bunk and that the Whalie Commission report is a placebo for the BT masses. No single FSHMAN, however skilled, could have performed such a monumental feat acting without at least several accomplices, lurking in the grassy knoll taverns in the Louisville environs.

FOG


I'm pretty sure you'll find that CLOUDY was paid off by the Cubans/Russians if that trail can be uncovered.


I would like to join in your humor, but maybe it's best to move on. At least Fshman still has a sense of humor. He is now playing under FBZTYM. Too funny.


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cards wrote:
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FOG wrote:
I firmly believe that the single playmaker theory is shear bunk and that the Whalie Commission report is a placebo for the BT masses. No single FSHMAN, however skilled, could have performed such a monumental feat acting without at least several accomplices, lurking in the grassy knoll taverns in the Louisville environs.

FOG


I'm pretty sure you'll find that CLOUDY was paid off by the Cubans/Russians if that trail can be uncovered.


I would like to join in your humor, but maybe it's best to move on. At least Fshman still has a sense of humor. He is now playing under FBZTYM. Too funny.


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 Post subject: Re: Badges as a new evidence trail
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scar wrote:

10 Games, 6 Gold and a Bronze.


And well over 200 perfect score badges in those 10 games too!

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 Post subject: Re: Badges as a new evidence trail
PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 9:56 pm 
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And well over 200 perfect score badges in those 10 games too!

Sweet, only the best of the best can average over 20 badges per game.

Funny stuff.

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