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 Post subject: Sante Fe NM cheater
PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2014 2:33 pm 
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MNL and LJMJ in Sante Fe have found a bar on the east feed (BWW Sante Fe) and took advantage of it by quickly going to a west bar (Junction).
All scores should be wiped out by BT and the BWW should be put on the correct feed.

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 Post subject: Re: Sante Fe NM cheater
PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2014 3:41 pm 
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If buzztime would end the split B.S. then this type of cheating would be a thing of the past.

Buzztime should start their feed at 9:00 AM PST instead of 11:00. Run the same games across their whole network at the same time with no time zone changes. No way to cheat that way. I would rather play the games at an earlier time (or later for that matter if need be) and have a level playing field.

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 Post subject: Re: Sante Fe NM cheater
PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2014 7:24 pm 
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Especially since the west feed often has less than 1000 players playing the specialty games. Clearly the west feed players *didn't* like the split... yet buzztime doesn't feel like changing it back


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 Post subject: Re: Sante Fe NM cheater
PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2014 8:42 pm 
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SCOOTR and LOONEY probably just started some new accounts.

Sad that BT allows this split BS to continue.


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 Post subject: Re: Sante Fe NM cheater
PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 12:02 am 
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This has nothing to do with the split and everything with Buzztime putting a bar in the wrong time zone. I live central time zone and on occasion a local bar gets put in the eastern or mountain time zones creating an opportunity for some on the lunchtime/countdown split and the countdown/late nite split. Just call Buzztime and tell them the bar on the wrong time zone and it's fixed. Calling out a player taking advantage may be satisfying, but it's a sign of impotence.


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 Post subject: Re: Sante Fe NM cheater
PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 12:47 am 
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Jim wrote:
This has nothing to do with the split and everything with Buzztime putting a bar in the wrong time zone. I live central time zone and on occasion a local bar gets put in the eastern or mountain time zones creating an opportunity for some on the lunchtime/countdown split and the countdown/late nite split. Just call Buzztime and tell them the bar on the wrong time zone and it's fixed. Calling out a player taking advantage may be satisfying, but it's a sign of impotence.

Here we do both.

And it has everything to do with the split. Otherwise how could the fuckwads score more than half the points in any premium game?


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 Post subject: Re: Sante Fe NM cheater
PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 1:09 am 
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Trying to remember, but didn't SCOOTR's little stunt involve a Santa Fe location? Think it did and there's only two currently in the city. Something about going there to see a movie or something and then wandering into an east feed site.

I guess I thought the site was switched back, and if it was, how did it get put back to the wrong feed? Just seems weird that it could randomly happen in the same town twice. Who knows?


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 Post subject: Re: Sante Fe NM cheater
PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 1:56 am 
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I believe BWW Santa Fe has been on East the whole time since that incident last year with the visitors from Albuquerque was discussed on the forum.
I was hoping to visit Santa Fe someday to maybe play some legitimate East feed, since that is the only Buzztime product I would touch now. So naturally I would disagree that the site is at fault or that the site should be "fixed" to its "correct" feed - I would say it is the rare case of a West location being on the one true correct feed. Only the players who do the BS should be called out. And of course call out Buzztime for the split in the first place. ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!"). And I rely on this forum being the place where that happens.
That said, with Buzztime lurking here as they do, the site most likely will now be Wested anyway as a result of this conversation. Oh well.


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 Post subject: Re: Sante Fe NM cheater
PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 4:56 am 
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Looks like MNL didn't really improve his Ask It Already score too much. LJMJ sure remembered the answers since she got a perfect score in Ask It Already. Thankfully only 280 people played that game so no gold medal for her.


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 Post subject: Re: Sante Fe NM cheater
PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2014 3:52 pm 
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whales wrote:
IThat said, with Buzztime lurking here as they do, the site most likely will now be Wested anyway as a result of this conversation. Oh well.


Other than the concept of the split itself, what continues to frustrate me the most is that BT cares so little for its locations that it won't give those on the West feed a choice. Clearly BT can put any location on any feed--and if the location and its players want a specific feed, why shouldn't BT accommodate them? Unless of course BT fears that West players--particularly those who want to participate in tournaments without their scores being subject to questions--would gravitate to the East-feed sites, thereby providing additional evidence that the split is still drastically dampening play in the West (as if the current stats don't amply demonstrate the same--a specialty game such as AIA doesn't have the minimum players needed to award a gold medal?).

The split was based on an untested hypothesis that moving premium games during "prime time" playing hours would increase the number of players, despite these games actually being reruns of the East feed. Instead the number of players dropped dramatically. The actual testing of a new hypothesis is long past due: move West locations who request it to the East feed, and see what happens to the player count. If it goes up, stop ignoring the statistics and clinging to a bad decision and reunite the network.

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 Post subject: Re: Sante Fe NM cheater
PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2014 12:48 pm 
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-BO- wrote:
SCOOTR and LOONEY probably just started some new accounts.

Sad that BT allows this split BS to continue.



F*ck you, a**hole. Those aren't my accounts. I *once* last year pulled this stunt to send LEWSR a message. Haven't done it since, and never will again. I fully disclosed what I did, and why.

You are a sorry bag of douche to accuse me of cheating last Saturday with NO proof. I haven't been to Santa Fe for over 6 months.

I want a public apology. You made a baseless, public accusation that I CHEATED when I did not. I shall await your public apology and retraction.


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 Post subject: Re: Sante Fe NM cheater
PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2014 1:14 pm 
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diablo2112 wrote:
-BO- wrote:
SCOOTR and LOONEY probably just started some new accounts.

Sad that BT allows this split BS to continue.



F*ck you, a**hole. Those aren't my accounts. I *once* last year pulled this stunt to send LEWSR a message. Haven't done it since, and never will again. I fully disclosed what I did, and why.

You are a sorry bag of douche to accuse me of cheating last Friday with NO proof. I haven't been to Santa Fe for over 6 months.

I want a public apology. You made a baseless, public accusation that I CHEATED when I did not. I shall await your public apology and retraction.



The fact that y'all felt like you needed to cheat to "Send a message" puts y'all into the asshole category, in this hillbilly's eyes, as well as in the bag o'douche niche.

Careful what you sow.


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 Post subject: Re: Sante Fe NM cheater
PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2014 2:06 pm 
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diablo2112 wrote:
I want a public apology.

I want a threesome with Salma Hayek and Kate Upton.

I've got a better chance of getting what I want than you do. 8-)


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 Post subject: Re: Sante Fe NM cheater
PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2014 2:09 pm 
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tiefly wrote:

The fact that y'all felt like you needed to cheat to "Send a message" puts y'all into the asshole category, in this hillbilly's eyes, as well as in the bag o'douche niche.

Careful what you sow.


You're 100% correct. I made a bad error in judgement in choosing to send a message to LEWSR in the same fashion that LEWSR chose to send to Buzztime. I apologized for that and learned my lesson. (To my knowledge, LEWSR has never apologized for his action or similar lapse in judgement). I've paid a heavy price for my mistake. So be it.

I will also note that my one-time, poorly-choosen efforts at cheating does not equate to not being truthful. I've been 100% honest in my descriptions, etc. and I remain scrupulously honest in my discussion of this whole incident.

It's still completely inappropriate to accuse me of cheating again without a modicum of proof. That's out of line, and BO knows it. We'll see if he has the character to address his failure in judgement.


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 Post subject: Re: Sante Fe NM cheater
PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2014 2:18 pm 
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To my knowledge, SCOOTR had never apologized for his actions. Now that he has, hopefully things can be different. I think most everybody saw my statement as a joke and not an accusation. Now perhaps the rest can realize that as well.


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 Post subject: Re: Sante Fe NM cheater
PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2014 2:48 pm 
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diablo2112 wrote:
tiefly wrote:

The fact that y'all felt like you needed to cheat to "Send a message" puts y'all into the asshole category, in this hillbilly's eyes, as well as in the bag o'douche niche.

Careful what you sow.


You're 100% correct. I made a bad error in judgement in choosing to send a message to LEWSR in the same fashion that LEWSR chose to send to Buzztime. I apologized for that and learned my lesson. (To my knowledge, LEWSR has never apologized for his action or similar lapse in judgement). I've paid a heavy price for my mistake. So be it.


And I will never apologize for the message I sent to the dumbasses at Buzztime. You chose to 'send me a message' but chose not 'to send a message to the other folks that sent Buzztime a message on the same night?' Others on this very board. I called your friend on his shit, which was very true, and your response was to 'get' me? Nice try though..

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 Post subject: Re: Sante Fe NM cheater
PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2014 2:51 pm 
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Jim wrote:
This has nothing to do with the split and everything with Buzztime putting a bar in the wrong time zone. I live central time zone and on occasion a local bar gets put in the eastern or mountain time zones creating an opportunity for some on the lunchtime/countdown split and the countdown/late nite split. Just call Buzztime and tell them the bar on the wrong time zone and it's fixed. Calling out a player taking advantage may be satisfying, but it's a sign of impotence.
You're assuming the Buzzies know what the time zones are. I wouldn't be so sure. I played not too long ago in the NW corner of Indiana, and they went to The LAte Shift at 10 Eastern/9 Central, even though that corner of the state is in the Central Time Zone. Maybe Buzztime just lumps all of Indiana in with the east, just because the majority of the state is.


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 Post subject: Re: Sante Fe NM cheater
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kaufman wrote:
You're assuming the Buzzies know what the time zones are. I wouldn't be so sure. I played not too long ago in the NW corner of Indiana, and they went to The LAte Shift at 10 Eastern/9 Central, even though that corner of the state is in the Central Time Zone. Maybe Buzztime just lumps all of Indiana in with the east, just because the majority of the state is.

Wallaby's in the Kansas City area is the same way, LS starts at 9pm.


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 Post subject: Re: Sante Fe NM cheater
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-BO- wrote:
kaufman wrote:
You're assuming the Buzzies know what the time zones are. I wouldn't be so sure. I played not too long ago in the NW corner of Indiana, and they went to The LAte Shift at 10 Eastern/9 Central, even though that corner of the state is in the Central Time Zone. Maybe Buzztime just lumps all of Indiana in with the east, just because the majority of the state is.

Wallaby's in the Kansas City area is the same way, LS starts at 9pm.

Time Zones in Indiana can be screwy. Northwest (Chicago Metro) Indiana and Southwest (Evansville) Indiana are central time zone while the rest of the state is eastern standard time zone. The central time zone portions change to daylight savings time while the eastern standard portion stays eastern standard and does not change to daylight savings. The result is during farming season/daylight savings it's the same time throughout the state, but your television schedules are messed up in the EST areas.
Wallaby's is in central time zone, but on the eastern time zone schedule. You can view Lunchtime trivia at Wallaby's at 12:00, 12:15 and 12:30 on the the eastern schedule, drive to another site within 10 minutes and then play those games as they are repeated on the central time zone schedule at 1:00, 1:15 and 1:30 for gold medals. It's not right but people do such things. The good thing for afternoon players about a site on the eastern time schedule in the central time zone area is that Countdown starts at 1:00 instead of 2:00.


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 Post subject: Re: Sante Fe NM cheater
PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2014 7:56 am 
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Jim wrote:
-BO- wrote:
kaufman wrote:
You're assuming the Buzzies know what the time zones are. I wouldn't be so sure. I played not too long ago in the NW corner of Indiana, and they went to The LAte Shift at 10 Eastern/9 Central, even though that corner of the state is in the Central Time Zone. Maybe Buzztime just lumps all of Indiana in with the east, just because the majority of the state is.

Wallaby's in the Kansas City area is the same way, LS starts at 9pm.

Time Zones in Indiana can be screwy. Northwest (Chicago Metro) Indiana and Southwest (Evansville) Indiana are central time zone while the rest of the state is eastern standard time zone. The central time zone portions change to daylight savings time while the eastern standard portion stays eastern standard and does not change to daylight savings. The result is during farming season/daylight savings it's the same time throughout the state, but your television schedules are messed up in the EST areas.
Wallaby's is in central time zone, but on the eastern time zone schedule. You can view Lunchtime trivia at Wallaby's at 12:00, 12:15 and 12:30 on the the eastern schedule, drive to another site within 10 minutes and then play those games as they are repeated on the central time zone schedule at 1:00, 1:15 and 1:30 for gold medals. It's not right but people do such things. The good thing for afternoon players about a site on the eastern time schedule in the central time zone area is that Countdown starts at 1:00 instead of 2:00.
Actually, the whole state went to Daylight Time 5-10 years ago, so that information has changed. And before that, metro Cincinnati did go to Eastern Daylight time anyway, thus putting it an hour ahead of Indianapolis in the summer.


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 Post subject: Re: Sante Fe NM cheater
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[/quote]Actually, the whole state went to Daylight Time 5-10 years ago, so that information has changed. And before that, metro Cincinnati did go to Eastern Daylight time anyway, thus putting it an hour ahead of Indianapolis in the summer.[/quote]
Good to know. I use to go to Indy monthly but a few years back teleconferences replaced the travel. Tell me they still have the duck pin bowling alley near Fountain Square.


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 Post subject: Re: Sante Fe NM cheater
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Jim wrote:
Good to know. I use to go to Indy monthly but a few years back teleconferences replaced the travel. Tell me they still have the duck pin bowling alley near Fountain Square.


Yes.
It is still there.


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