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 Post subject: Re: NTN Stock
PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:31 am 
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The biggest item I took out of the call was the apparent phasing out of "Classic Buzztime" which is what we are playing now.

The "New Buzztime" will start running concurrent with "Classic Buzztime" starting in Q2 13 or so. New Buzztime will be all mobile devices. I believe there was mention of being able to play in or out of venue. That will just fuck it all up.

I take that to mean the end of the boxes will soon follow. We eventually will have to play on Mobile devices of some sort, supplied by the player. That will mean one device per person unless you have a bunch of smart phones or ipads. It will be harder to field a team of 5 to play. We often are playing with 3 or 4 people playing 10 boxes.

I'm not sure about the tablets that were mentioned. Maybe the bar would have a few? With player mobile phones being the bulk of the devices used?

Also the call mentioned a new service bundle: increased marketing from each bar to it's registered players via emails, more bar ads on screen. Buzztime is now a Marketing services company, the main focus will be to bombard us with crap night and day.


And players went nuts 4 (?) years ago when Buzztime made those changes in August. Just wait till this one goes down. First, you will lose a group of long time older players that will not understand how to use the new tablets (boxes). Second, sites will lose another group of players when they can play at home with their own smart phones or tablets. Third, you will lose some of the multi boxers that will not be able to play 5 boxes because sites will not give out that many tablets to one player. Fourth, this will kill some of the team play because of the first three reasons. Last, like before, there will be a group of players that just give up playing because of all the changes. All of this to attract some 12 year old that will play one game and never play again. One postive thing will come from all this. Scaratings will explode with posts from unhappy players. :P


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 Post subject: Re: NTN Stock
PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:34 am 
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Dante wrote:
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The other places I've seen take it out, at least locally, have typically done so within 6 months of their business going under. I'm not sure how much blame BT can take for losing those customers.


I hate to say this, but you make a good point (cough, gag, wheeze).


You know what they say: Even a blind clock finds squirrel nuts twice a decade.


HAHA, there I responded to your post. :roll:
I see you gave up on your boy Peyton.


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 Post subject: Re: NTN Stock
PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:43 pm 
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cards wrote:
Dante wrote:

The other places I've seen take it out, at least locally, have typically done so within 6 months of their business going under. I'm not sure how much blame BT can take for losing those customers.


I hate to say this, but you make a good point (cough, gag, wheeze). Places that are doing well are going to say why do I need Buzztime when business is good. They will see it as an unneeded expense. While places having a tough time will see it as a chance to increase business. Usually there are other reasons their business is bad and Buzztime is not going to save them.


There's a lot of places in Houston that are still going strong, but that have dropped the system so quickly that COOGS and I never get a chance to even visit once. The lifecycle is about 3 to 4 months. The only ones that keep it are those where the owner has multiple locations and it's been successful at at least one of those, the owner/management understands the system and/or is highly motivated to make it work, or enough players descend on it even without encouragement to make it a success. I absolutely believe many of these locations could be retained if a support program were in place, and if BT doesn't have the personnel for it (or, as I suspect, the reps responsible for location education don't know themselves how to grow a player base), then BT should start enlisting its players.

Brooke/AARDVK


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 Post subject: Re: NTN Stock
PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:48 pm 
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So let me get this straight. The initial idea of PMs going to (presumably waterproof, although with NTN you never know) tablets seems like a good idea.

So I can take my three iphones and three iPads and field a little Showdown team from anywhere?

Or I can call my teammates (spread out all over about 150 miles) in their homes and have them join us on a conference call to play?

And we can all be in front of our computers too?

No beer? No high calorie food? Make it immensely easy to...well, you know?

And I don't even have to go to the location paying for the service anymore!

Or could it be that New Buzztime will exclude (or eliminate?) premium games altogether?

Whoohoo! I think this company has just surpassed itself on the moron scale! Just when you think Jake Tauber couldn't be topped.

(Okay, all that said, I guess I need to see the details before I play the Jake Tauber card.)


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 Post subject: Re: NTN Stock
PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 2:26 am 
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Stejjie wrote:
So let me get this straight. The initial idea of PMs going to (presumably waterproof, although with NTN you never know) tablets seems like a good idea.

So I can take my three iphones and three iPads and field a little Showdown team from anywhere?

Or I can call my teammates (spread out all over about 150 miles) in their homes and have them join us on a conference call to play?

And we can all be in front of our computers too?

No beer? No high calorie food? Make it immensely easy to...well, you know?

And I don't even have to go to the location paying for the service anymore!

Or could it be that New Buzztime will exclude (or eliminate?) premium games altogether?

Whoohoo! I think this company has just surpassed itself on the moron scale! Just when you think Jake Tauber couldn't be topped.

(Okay, all that said, I guess I need to see the details before I play the Jake Tauber card.)


Because BT doesn't understand how much a draw team play is, apparently they are willing to put a stake in it. Why on earth would locations pay for a system that anyone--including the many solo players--could access at home? Even diehards like us can figure out how to spend less money and time staying at home and playing on the premium games we might still care about than going out to a location, unless by going out we get to meet up with and have fun with fellow players.

It's one of the problems I have with going full tilt on a player outreach program, when probably as a an ex-bankruptcy lawyer I should just be figuring out how to get the players standing as a committee in the inevitable Chapter 11. Because: if you can play it elsewhere, you're probably not going to go to one of the "hospitality" locations to do it, so they will eventually disappear. And if you play it elsewhere, all the problems with typos, wrong answers, repeat games, etc. will do the enterprise in. There's just better purely online trivia out there. For instance, I have yet to see a copyediting/fact question problem with Facebook's "Who Wants to Be a Millionaire?". (Those folks care enough about their product to make sure it won't disappoint the people who invest time in playing it.)

Brooke/AARDVK


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 Post subject: Re: NTN Stock
PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 3:01 pm 
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AARDVK wrote:

Because BT doesn't understand how much a draw team play is, apparently they are willing to put a stake in it. Why on earth would locations pay for a system that anyone--including the many solo players--could access at home? Even diehards like us can figure out how to spend less money and time staying at home and playing on the premium games we might still care about than going out to a location, unless by going out we get to meet up with and have fun with fellow players.

It's one of the problems I have with going full tilt on a player outreach program, when probably as a an ex-bankruptcy lawyer I should just be figuring out how to get the players standing as a committee in the inevitable Chapter 11. Because: if you can play it elsewhere, you're probably not going to go to one of the "hospitality" locations to do it, so they will eventually disappear. And if you play it elsewhere, all the problems with typos, wrong answers, repeat games, etc. will do the enterprise in. There's just better purely online trivia out there. For instance, I have yet to see a copyediting/fact question problem with Facebook's "Who Wants to Be a Millionaire?". (Those folks care enough about their product to make sure it won't disappoint the people who invest time in playing it.)

Brooke/AARDVK


I think we had this conversation a few years ago at the NTN forum, but I'm having a hard time getting standing to a committee of users. But as you know better than I, BK is weird. The only thing I can think of is a third-party beneficiary theory of some sort, and I don't know enough about BK to get that past a judge. Now, that said, a committee of aggrieved bar owners who lose a boatload of customer money attributable to New Buzztime -- that is a different enchilada and a better case than players IMHO.

Okay, back to boring, comatose and pull the plug and let me die with dignity contract drafting.


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 Post subject: Re: NTN Stock
PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 6:11 pm 
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AARDVK wrote:
Why on earth would locations pay for a system that anyone--including the many solo players--could access at home? Brooke/AARDVK

Most people here see merging the home version with bar version as being certain death, so why does Buzztime keep pushing in that direction?

Also why would any self respecting brokerage assign an analyst to NTN since it's relatively worthless? Is it a punishment?


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 Post subject: Re: NTN Stock
PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:59 am 
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Hold currently placed on NTN trading with no transactions thus far, probably/hopefully no big deal. Can't find any news.


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 Post subject: Re: NTN Stock
PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:14 pm 
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Hold currently placed on NTN trading with no transactions thus far, probably/hopefully no big deal. Can't find any news.


its been trading in the last couple of hours. no news posted anywhere


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 Post subject: Re: NTN Stock
PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:42 pm 
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stevej84 wrote:
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Hold currently placed on NTN trading with no transactions thus far, probably/hopefully no big deal. Can't find any news.


its been trading in the last couple of hours. no news posted anywhere

Yeah, it started trading late in the day yesterday. Lots of times no shares move for hours, just never seen trading halted on it before.


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 Post subject: Re: NTN Stock
PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 2:08 am 
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Earnings call Thursday, November 8th at 430e.


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 Post subject: Re: NTN Stock
PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:28 pm 
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-BO- wrote:
Earnings call Thursday, November 8th at 430e.


Did anyone even bother listening? Or did they just replay last quarter's call to see if anyone would notice?


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 Post subject: Re: NTN Stock
PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 1:24 pm 
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Didn't listen this time. Maybe I'll listen to the recoding of it, maybe not. (Shrug)

But here are a few things from the press release:

-Revenues for the third quarter of 2012 were $6.1 million , compared to revenues of $5.9 million for the same period of 2011.

-The Company ended the third quarter of 2012 with 3,739 subscribing venues, compared to 3,910 at the end of the third quarter of 2011. During the third quarter of 2012, installations were lower at 163 compared with 220 in the same quarter last year, and terminations were lower at 199 compared to 214.

-"Lowering our cost base is freeing up cash flow that allows us to more aggressively invest in new technology platforms and products," said Jeff Berg , the Company's Interim CEO. "We have changed the way we approach our business which we now segment for internal purposes into two businesses: Classic and Next Gen. The change allows us to optimize how we allocate human and capital resources by tying each segment's objectives to a financial and product outcome. At Classic, we have a solid foundation of customers and operating experience on which to maximize profits and cash flow. This allows us to simultaneously invest in a re-envisioned Buzztime with the energy and innovation of a start-up enterprise we refer to as Next Gen, one which aims to engage a broad new generation of consumers in an entertainment experience that is both created for, and suited to, the retail environment."

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

So how long does the Classic BT last as we know it? 1 year, 2 years? As I understand it Classic and Next Gen will both be running at the same time with different content on different platforms. (boxes vs smart phones)

Looks like there's a new handle for ILLJOL...FNXGEN

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 Post subject: Re: NTN Stock
PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 12:37 am 
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Essentially, they are using the money they make off us to look for new markets that may or may not be there.


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 Post subject: Re: NTN Stock
PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:21 pm 
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Suddenly today the stock shoots up to 8 cents higher than it's previous 52 week peak. Anything in particular to cause this?


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