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Nice. How about I go to Phoenix on a sponsored 'trip' and just punch him in the mouth? I am only 3 hours away. ROGUE's tricks are similar in nature, I would say if you want to search less sites he was in Vegas a few months back and did it all over the Valley, so whatever he does all over Mesa area he did here in, IIRC it was January 19th, 20th and sometime in February..

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Ha! And thank you, I'll check that out.

If I had to guess I'd say he's multiboxing with a Mobile Playmaker at a site with a delay. Just waiting on confirmation from the people who can look behind the scenes.

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That doesn't work anymore, the answers should be scrambled, correct?

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Ohhhhhhh yes. I'll confirm that scrambling is across the board or if it's just premium games.

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Yep, Lunchtime Trivia is randomized. Hmmm.

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All the games should be randomized, I saw that he was in town one night and saw him on the rankings (He was at PTs playing as ENTRYE (or PICARO, PURDY, ILLINI, POTUS, ROGUE, or any multitude of the douche's handles)), I logged in remotely with a special handle for him and the answers didn't match between bars. He still got to see my present for him. He showed up at Scooters one night when I wasn't there, if he would have showed up at any time where I was playing he would have been mocked and made fun of until he left, or he wanted to fight. I would have been happy to kick his ass for everyone and then took pictures making fun of him.

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Does this mean Louisville won't be bombarded any more with F GOP, F BUSH, F RUSH, and other politically opinionated names at every bar in the city?

If so.........THANK YOU

KK, AZ does not participate in daylight saving time. In the past there have been locations in the Phoenix area whose CPU operates on DST. Naturally if different CPU's in the same area run on different times, you could play at one location, then go to another location and see the same games an hour later. This is merely one hypothesis based on past happenings.

But I'm very glad you're looking into this, he's been cheating the system for some time and claiming innocence. As well as lawsuits! He is certainly a bag of douche.

BO

KK, if BT is going to start making game averages legitimate again I have a suggestion I first brought up several years ago. Currently if you play basically half or less of the questions that game doesn't count towards averages. Naturally there are players who simply quit halfway through if their score isn't up to standard. My suggestion is this, if you answer the first question of a game, it counts towards your average. That way you can't pick and choose the games you want to count. This would be in addition to the current qualifying standards.

Naturally on rare occasion a technical issue will affect a game and a low score will count towards an average. But keep in mind that only the last 50 games count towards the average, so with most players concerned with average, that screwed up game will slide off quite quickly.

Heck, I'm actually all for something more strict than what I've described. At least that way the averages would be without controversy.

BO

Sorry to be late to this thread. I spend most of my time in the "Free For All" forum, making silly things up, joking with my buddies, talking about computer games or old movies, banning people I like for ridiculous reasons, and posting fantastic lies about them as well. It was a phone call from YODA this evening that alerted me to what was going on here.

I think I know FSHMAN pretty well. Not only is he a very kind and generous person, he is also pretty damn smart. He is a person, whom I would trust with my life, and I think if any of you ever had the pleasure of meeting him, you would think the same way about him too. However, nobody is perfect, and I will accept the possibility that he may have gamed the system. If he did, this would have been foolish on his part, because it would have been unnecessary for him to do so. With his intelligence, knowledge, and experience of seeing so many repeat questions (As I understand it, he plays almost every day, and nearly all day.) FSHMAN could play trivia straight up, and rank among the very best, without having to resort to any kind of shenanigans.

The following is conjecture on my part.

As much as I love, respect, and admire FSHMAN, I do know that he is very liberal when it comes to politics, and likes to taunt right wing conservatives with many of the extra handles he has created. I might guess that if he did do some manipulating of his scores, it would have most likely to switch them from "FSHMAN" to "F_GOP".

Who really gives a rat's ass about this...? If FSHMAN wants to spend a lot of energy to get "F_GOP" up there, let him do it. Yeah, I think it's silly, but I really don't think it will have any impact on the presidential election that is coming up in November.

p.s. I should add that FSHMAN volunteered for the United States Marine Corps during the Vietnam War, and put his life on the line over there before most of you were out of diapers.

p.p.s. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

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Then why were the handles on the rankings FSHMAN and not F GOP, or some other nonsense?





[quote=]p.s. I should add that FSHMAN volunteered for the United States Marine Corps during the Vietnam War, and put his life on the line over there before most of you were out of diapers.

p.p.s. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."[/quote]

What does this have to do with anything? So, because he defended this country before I was born we can't call him out on cheating the system? That makes zero sense, this also hasn't been a goof, he has been doing it for years-get that YEARS. This isn't a slip-up, he knew exactly what he was doing, and I am not supposed to say something (or cast a stone) because he fought in Vietnam? It really makes no difference anyway, I have been discounting his scores (along with ROGUE and someone else from that neck of the woods) for awhile now. He may be a nice guy, but he still did it and now it is over. Now onto that hack monkey ROGUE...

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What does this have to do with anything? So, because he defended this country before I was born we can't call him out on cheating the system? That makes zero sense, this also hasn't been a goof, he has been doing it for years-get that YEARS. This isn't a slip-up, he knew exactly what he was doing, and I am not supposed to say something (or cast a stone) because he fought in Vietnam? It really makes no difference anyway, I have been discounting his scores (along with ROGUE and someone else from that neck of the woods) for awhile now. He may be a nice guy, but he still did it and now it is over. Now onto that hack monkey ROGUE...[/quote]
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I wonder why there is so much venom being spat up here. I wonder why people get so upset over something as insignificant in their lives as NTN trivia. It should be fun, not something they spend hours or days researching to try to find out if someone might have cheated. If someone does cheat, big deal, this is just a game, and nobody's money or jobs are at stake. Your Buzztime scores are unlikely to be chiseled upon your tombstone, so who cares?

I feel sorry for those who think differently. I wonder why there are not more important things in their lives than NTN trivia. I wonder why they are so focused on lunchtime trivia scores, when their kids should be more important. If not the kids, the cat or the dog still trump NTN trivia. I worry that NTN trivia may be some people's only life. As fun as it is, playing trivia is no big deal. Your top 100 scores, local bar wins, or badges won shouldn't be of any serious importance to you, nor should anyone else's. I worry for those, who disagree. Why do I worry...? I worry about their lives.

God bless you all, step back, take a big breath, and before you exhale, try to put trivia into perspective not only in your own life, but in others' lives as well.

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You're not going to like this.

I wonder why there is so much venom being spat up here. I wonder why people get so upset over something as insignificant in their lives as NTN trivia. It should be fun, not something they spend hours or days researching to try to find out if someone might have cheated. If someone does cheat, big deal, this is just a game, and nobody's money or jobs are at stake. Your Buzztime scores are unlikely to be chiseled upon your tombstone, so who cares?

I feel sorry for those who think differently. I wonder why there are not more important things in their lives than NTN trivia. I wonder why they are so focused on lunchtime trivia scores, when their kids should be more important. If not the kids, the cat or the dog still trump NTN trivia. I worry that NTN trivia may be some people's only life. As fun as it is, playing trivia is no big deal. Your top 100 scores, local bar wins, or badges won shouldn't be of any serious importance to you, nor should anyone else's. I worry for those, who disagree. Why do I worry...? I worry about their lives.

God bless you all, step back, take a big breath, and before you exhale, try to put trivia into perspective not only in your own life, but in others' lives as well. [/quote]

Cloudy I agree. I do not understand this need of hunting down cheaters. It is a game played for fun. I believe you and Dante about your friend. When Diamonds Lils managed came in third or fourth a few months ago on Showdown somebody ask if we were borgers. That was insulting to me and my teammates. If big money were envolved I would be worried, but that does not happen anymore.

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Say what? You feel sorry for those who don't think like you?


It's no big deal to you, it is a big deal to others out there.

Look, it's not near as big a deal to me as it was at one time and I'm well aware there are many things in life more important. But I'm still a competitor and a fierce one at that. It's in my blood and always has been whether it's athletics or trivia or whatever. When you compete athletically for your livelihood, you can't just turn it off all of a sudden, that hot spark will always be there. And there are plenty of players that feel the same way.

Look Cloudy, I'm not you and you're not me. I have zero clue why people spend time "banning" people for whatever wacky reason they can dream up, discussing random things from 50 years ago, or posting jokes. Just like you have zero clue why I spend time digging through stats to get to the bottom of strange occurrences dealing with BT trivia. We're different, we like different things. Nothing at all wrong with that.

All that being said, I don't think one person in this thread has said anything bad about FSHMAN as a human being. I believe all the things I've heard about him from various Louisville residents.

BO

Could whales or somebody please double-check my work here?

Here is the CD game play history of a certain player, notice many of the games he only answers 8 or fewer questions to protect the average. He plays in the central time zone.

http://www.buzztime.com/players/bt_prof ... tp=gh&d=87 Now notice the occasional gap in CD games.

No game played on 4/3 at 2 while playing both the 130 and 230 games. However he has a potpourri badge during that time slot.

No game played on 3/28 at 1230 while playing both the 12 and 1 games. He has a gotta get away badge during that time slot.

No game played on 3/7 at 3 while playing both the 230 and 330 games. He has a passport badge during that time slot.

For the sake of completeness, I did find at least two gaps where he didn't earn any badges.

Lastly, and something that struck me as very odd, on 4/3 when all the games were repeats from 3/6 he had several perfect or near perfect scores. Yet no games played or badges earned (that I could find) from 3/6! Then, the next day 4/4 he played from 12-2 quitting the first three games with crap scores before nearly acing the 130 game. However he played those same games on 3/7 and completed every one.

BO

In your examples of the missing games that have a badge stamp, were you meaning that only one badge is from the missing game's time slot, or were you just giving an example of one?

Because by total coincidence, I was checking out the running buddy account of the one you are looking at, account pid # 8964479. Yes indeed it looks like what we now call a "killed" game, for which we now know that Buzztime has the ability to check on whether a manager password was used. But this account has 10 badges from that game, beginning with Cinemaniac at 4:01 local (Central), then Hot Rod/Follow the Leader/History Buff (4:05)/Coast to Coast/C to C/Presidential Suite/Cin. (4:11)/Potpourri (4:12)/HB (4:17). I gave the whole sequence in case it makes it easier for you to spot the sequence in the account you're looking at.

We might need a shorthand reporting/filing code. How's this:

site 34788, game CD on 4/3/12 at 2pm Pacific/4pm local (Central). 10 Badges in account 8964479, 4:01 through 4:17.

That said, the point is made. No one will be able to do this undetectably anymore. Do we bump this bad-blood thread every time a new one is spotted, or move on to something else, like a neutral, facts-only "Locations/Accounts found to kill games" thread or some such.

Never understood why someone would kill a 59xx/7 score to protect an average though - how the hell good do you want the avg to be?

Full disclosure - when playing partial games upon arriving or leaving (I'm not going to sit for 15 minutes after finishing beer and paying just to complete a game, and while I try I sometimes fail to get to a seat precisely between x:24 and x:30 etc) I make sure I answer no more than 7.

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The key reason he was "killing" a game was to be able to change his name. He would start out as FSHMAN, but towards the end of the game he would use the manager's functions to change the name to something negative towards Republicans, such as F GOP, F BUSH, F RUSH, etc. He's been known to flood political opinions at every bar in Louisville, by raking up very good trivia scores, then changing the name at the last minute from his normal handle to something political. He will play heavily at every bar in the city at the start of the month, thus his high scores and political message would be there all month long.

His scores are legit. He is truly a good trivia player. But he insists on displaying a political message, which made people in Louisville think less of him. Hopefully by Buzztime shutting down his ability to get into the manager's functions, his days of using Buzztime to make a political statement are coming to an end.

I too am late to this discussion. I have spent many a night in the last 10 or so years playing with Fshman. Several times just the two of us. He is one of best I have ever played with and not one time I have seen him cheat in any way. I do know that he took advantage of Buzztime repeat games. Not sure if they even have those anymore. It is sad if he somehow gamed the system. But it was not done by any electronic means. He does not own anything to do it that way. He is one of the nicest people anyone will ever play with or against. There are far worst cheaters than Fshman (if he actually did anything outside what the system allowed) in this world.
I am for Buzztime doing away with players that have several multiple accounts. One person in Ashland Ky comes to mind. I never have understood the need for one person having 10 or more handles. Buzztime just needs to tighten the controls and a lot of this nonsense will go away. I can understand the need for Buzztime to make changes to their games. But, some of the recent changes have been so bad it has caused me to almost stop playing altogether. I will give it some time. However, I see a day where I stop playing and move on to something else.

Just giving an example, all you need is one badge to prove the point.

At this rate, perhaps the BT averages will start being relevant again.

BO

I do that as well. But although I understand the concern about people going out of their way to game their average by starting and stopping play over multiple games, I don't see how it would encourage the average person to play to change the "7" minimum. If I sit down on question 13 of Countdown, I want to go ahead and answer those last three questions, even tho I know the score won't be competitive. The same is true if we're waiting for the check and are more interested in getting home after we've paid than sticking around for another half hour. I would also think BT finds it beneficial to have people playing during a game even if those scores aren't counted in the player's average.

Finally, although I'm not high on badges, at least they do provide a reward for players who can only play a partial game beyond just getting the minimum Player Plus points. Seems as though it would undercut the badge promotion to get rid of the "7" minimum.

Brooke/AARDVK

1) Was referring to CLEVR not FSHMAN - read up
2) What you describe has been impossible for many years - you cannot change a name and keep the score any more. FSHMAN may very well be using many names but he's neither killing games to do it nor keeping his scores if he switches. He's killing games, period.
3) He must be a very good player indeed, and I have heard several people attest to this for years so never doubted it. He's actually getting excellent scores when he doesn't kill games - far more often than most players would too. Makes the shenanigans even more unnecessary.

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In an unintentional experiment in killing the system, the power went out at 86th Street yesterday during the 2pm CD game after question 13.
When the system came back up everyone's scores were reset to zero and that game does not show up in my gameplay history.

Two oddities:
1) A Texas Hold "Em score shows in that time slot for some reason.
2) I had a 13K game going but BT only showed me earning 11 badges during that time period.

Wackiness ensues...

just played questions of a partial game at 5 o'clock central then killed it. - we should see 3 badges show up but n record of the game tomorrow.

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3 badges in 14 questions? Pretty good for you I suppose....