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mrgray · **Joined:** Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:14 am **Posts:** 348

People are against people using the internet to get answers (and rightly so) but often play in groups. I am curious as to why this is the case. I know a lot of the top players who play in teams would still get Top 100 without their group, but the fact remains there will be at least some point in the games where the team helps them out. How is using an organic computer acceptable when a mechanical one is not? If anything, using another person to supply an answer is worse than a phone/computer because they are going to be quicker and will let you get maximum points. If you want to play in teams, more power to you... just curious as to why.

-BO- · **Joined:** Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:20 pm **Posts:** 2303

Why do you think BT lists the top 20 location rankings before the top 20 individual rankings?

mrgray · **Joined:** Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:14 am **Posts:** 348

That's a valid point, but theoretically Top Locations could just be the places with the best people playing independently for the place. I know that would never happen, but it's another way of viewing it.

Looking something up is looked down upon, but turning to the guy next to you isn't.
I am just wondering the actual difference between the two. They both involve making up for what you do not know.

FrankC · **Posted:** Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:53 am

mrgray wrote:

That's a valid point, but theoretically Top Locations could just be the places with the best people playing independently for the place. I know that would never happen, but it's another way of viewing it.

Looking something up is looked down upon, but turning to the guy next to you isn't.
I am just wondering the actual difference between the two. They both involve making up for what you do not know.

Are you old enough to remember "The GE College Bowl"? It is the same thing. The primetime BT games are team games not individual challenges unless you you choose to play that way. It is like baseball. Using a pitching machine in a game would not be kosher, but using good human pitchers is fine.

mrgray · **Joined:** Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:14 am **Posts:** 348

FrankC wrote:

mrgray wrote:

That's a valid point, but theoretically Top Locations could just be the places with the best people playing independently for the place. I know that would never happen, but it's another way of viewing it.

Looking something up is looked down upon, but turning to the guy next to you isn't.
I am just wondering the actual difference between the two. They both involve making up for what you do not know.

Are you old enough to remember "The GE College Bowl"? It is the same thing. The primetime BT games are team games not individual challenges unless you you choose to play that way. It is like baseball. Using a pitching machine in a game would not be kosher, but using good human pitchers is fine.

That's true. (Did have to look that up...it ended almost two decades before I was born). I played high school quiz bowl... I didn't know prime time games were MEANT to be played as a team.... very interesting.

poman · **Joined:** Sun Jan 17, 2010 12:05 pm **Posts:** 1514

mrgray wrote:

That's a valid point, but theoretically Top Locations could just be the places with the best people playing independently for the place. I know that would never happen, but it's another way of viewing it.

Most teams don't have 5+ players. It's usually fewer than five people playing 5+ boxes. Under your theory, the location wouldn't rank since they wouldn't have enough boards in play [to save time, insert West Coast rankings joke here

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liljol · **Joined:** Sun Jan 10, 2010 8:41 pm **Posts:** 2497

poman wrote:

mrgray wrote:

That's a valid point, but theoretically Top Locations could just be the places with the best people playing independently for the place. I know that would never happen, but it's another way of viewing it.

Most teams don't have 5+ players. It's usually fewer than five people playing 5+ boxes. Under your theory, the location wouldn't rank since they wouldn't have enough boards in play [to save time, insert West Coast rankings joke here

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And, there are a few instances of one player banging away on five Playmakers to rank that site.

ANON · **Joined:** Sun Jan 10, 2010 8:59 pm **Posts:** 2291

mrgray wrote:

I didn't know prime time games were MEANT to be played as a team.... very interesting.

In fact, back when they used to have regular Showdown Tournaments, the official announcements on the NTN/Buzztime website used to say "Get your team together and prove you belong with the elite..."

AARDVK · **Joined:** Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:30 pm **Posts:** 558

It's really just how someone approaches the game. If a person is interested only in testing his/her trivia abilities against everyone else, then the person would approach the game as being solely an individual event and would not be interested in giving or receiving answers from anyone else. But if the person approaches the game as a team event, then giving and sharing answers is as much a part of the process as one basketball player passing off to another. And of course, a player isn't stuck with a single approach--I very much enjoy team play, in part because I can learn so much about other people when they explain how they know a particular fact, and because the act of playing together as a team to accomplish the beating of other teams is more conducive for growing friendships than playing against each other, but I can also appreciate the sense of individual accomplishment when I play by myself.

Brooke/AARDVK

scar · **Joined:** Sun Jan 10, 2010 6:57 pm **Posts:** 2218

Well for me, I am just a bad player who can't make the boards without others help, so I leech off them as much as I can, then self aggrandize myself.

Life is good !

Dante · **Posted:** Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:18 pm

mrgray wrote:

People are against people using the internet to get answers (and rightly so) but often play in groups. I am curious as to why this is the case. I know a lot of the top players who play in teams would still get Top 100 without their group, but the fact remains there will be at least some point in the games where the team helps them out. How is using an organic computer acceptable when a mechanical one is not? If anything, using another person to supply an answer is worse than a phone/computer because they are going to be quicker and will let you get maximum points. If you want to play in teams, more power to you... just curious as to why.

I find it more fun.

If I want to play trivia by myself I'll do it online, where I see far more questions, and have a larger competition pool.

Outside of that, see my last 10 years of comments across various threads/forums on this

ranger · **Joined:** Tue Jan 12, 2010 12:27 am **Posts:** 630

scar wrote:

Well for me, I am just a bad player who can't make the boards without others help, so I leech off them as much as I can, then self aggrandize myself.

Life is good !

Funniest post yet on New Scaratings!

liljol · **Joined:** Sun Jan 10, 2010 8:41 pm **Posts:** 2497

scar wrote:

Well for me, I am just a bad player who can't make the boards without others help, so I leech off them as much as I can, then self aggrandize myself.

Life is good !

<--wondering who SCAR could have possibly been thinking of when using "self aggrandize"...

BGTUNA · **Posted:** Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:43 am

Then you have the sandbaggers...

Rackme32 · **Joined:** Sat Jan 30, 2010 5:13 pm **Posts:** 272

Well, well, well... BT's "strategy" for attracting new players worked! Once. He even has gone so far as find Scaratings!

Wow... At this pace, if BT stays in business another 50 years or so, they'll have a player database almost as large as what they had a few years ago...

mrgray · **Joined:** Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:14 am **Posts:** 348

Rackme32 wrote:

Well, well, well... BT's "strategy" for attracting new players worked! Once. He even has gone so far as find Scaratings!

Wow... At this pace, if BT stays in business another 50 years or so, they'll have a player database almost as large as what they had a few years ago...

I don't consider myself new to buzztime, having been playing for a few years now. All the same, nice to meet you.

Just realized I can start using the fact premium games are supposed to be team events to cope with how low my scores are. :lol:

scar · **Joined:** Sun Jan 10, 2010 6:57 pm **Posts:** 2218

mrgray wrote:

Rackme32 wrote:

Well, well, well... BT's "strategy" for attracting new players worked! Once. He even has gone so far as find Scaratings!

Wow... At this pace, if BT stays in business another 50 years or so, they'll have a player database almost as large as what they had a few years ago...

I don't consider myself new to buzztime, having been playing for a few years now. All the same, nice to meet you.

Just realized I can start using the fact premium games are supposed to be team events to cope with how low my scores are. :lol:

See my previous advice on leeching off others, and you too can have a proud handle someday !

mrgray · **Joined:** Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:14 am **Posts:** 348

What would you all say is a respectable score for solo Six? 50k?

zog741 · **Posted:** Thu Dec 20, 2012 1:08 am

mrgray wrote:

What would you all say is a respectable score for solo Six? 50k?

Actually, I think 50K is quite good when going solo; most of my solo efforts are in the 40s with the occasional low 50s.

-- RWM

ANON · **Joined:** Sun Jan 10, 2010 8:59 pm **Posts:** 2291

mrgray wrote:

What would you all say is a respectable score for solo Six? 50k?

Yeah, when I used to play solo, I always thought 50k+ on SIX was a nice, respectable score.

mrgray · **Joined:** Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:14 am **Posts:** 348

zog741 wrote:

mrgray wrote:

What would you all say is a respectable score for solo Six? 50k?

Actually, I think 50K is quite good when going solo; most of my solo efforts are in the 40s with the occasional low 50s.

-- RWM

Assuming you can ace the final round, 50k is not an issue. I usually go into the final round with 24 - 30 k. (My matching round is atrocious most times). In fact, last game I was looking at a score of 52 k if things ended well. Unfortunately I am cursed and ended with 41 k. :p

Week before that one question cost me 7k in the final round, counting the bonus.

zog741 · **Posted:** Sat Dec 22, 2012 4:11 pm

mrgray wrote:

Assuming you can ace the final round, 50k is not an issue. I usually go into the final round with 24 - 30 k. (My matching round is atrocious most times). In fact, last game I was looking at a score of 52 k if things ended well. Unfortunately I am cursed and ended with 41 k. :p

Week before that one question cost me 7k in the final round, counting the bonus.

The Arts is my second-shakiest category, so when, that as my 2000-point final category question. Of course, the final question in the game always is that one category; I do wish they would randomize the order of the final round. I can't count the number of times I've had a perfect matching solo round only to blow the last question.

To date, the worst game of Six I've had (current version) was one where I had 27K going into the final round, and then had six straight question in the final where I had no clue, and missed five of those question; final score around 28.5K.

-- RWM

mrgray · **Joined:** Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:14 am **Posts:** 348

zog741 wrote:

mrgray wrote:

Assuming you can ace the final round, 50k is not an issue. I usually go into the final round with 24 - 30 k. (My matching round is atrocious most times). In fact, last game I was looking at a score of 52 k if things ended well. Unfortunately I am cursed and ended with 41 k. :p

Week before that one question cost me 7k in the final round, counting the bonus.

The Arts is my second-shakiest category, so when, that as my 2000-point final category question. Of course, the final question in the game always is that one category; I do wish they would randomize the order of the final round. I can't count the number of times I've had a perfect matching solo round only to blow the last question.

To date, the worst game of Six I've had (current version) was one where I had 27K going into the final round, and then had six straight question in the final where I had no clue, and missed five of those question; final score around 28.5K.

-- RWM

I sort of like the set order of the questions. I always bet the same way: 4,3,2 5,1,6
I am pretty shaky on arts too, but I place the 6 at the end in order to try to be as competitive as possible at the last second and pull off an upset in case of any close local games. Also if I blow the first questions I can shake it off with the knowledge I have the 5 and 6 k questions to make up for it. Besides, you ain't living on the edge until you end the game with a 10,000 point question.

Besides, if you were going to blow 1 out of 6 you were going to do it no matter the order. Less of a blow realizing it before the last question, I suppose. So far the days where I've had the best finals were days I had lower than normal going into the final.

What do you mean current version?

-BO- · **Joined:** Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:20 pm **Posts:** 2303

mrgray wrote:

zog741 wrote:

mrgray wrote:

Assuming you can ace the final round, 50k is not an issue. I usually go into the final round with 24 - 30 k. (My matching round is atrocious most times). In fact, last game I was looking at a score of 52 k if things ended well. Unfortunately I am cursed and ended with 41 k. :p

Week before that one question cost me 7k in the final round, counting the bonus.

The Arts is my second-shakiest category, so when, that as my 2000-point final category question. Of course, the final question in the game always is that one category; I do wish they would randomize the order of the final round. I can't count the number of times I've had a perfect matching solo round only to blow the last question.

To date, the worst game of Six I've had (current version) was one where I had 27K going into the final round, and then had six straight question in the final where I had no clue, and missed five of those question; final score around 28.5K.

-- RWM

I sort of like the set order of the questions. I always bet the same way: 4,3,2 5,1,6
I am pretty shaky on arts too, but I place the 6 at the end in order to try to be as competitive as possible at the last second and pull off an upset in case of any close local games. Also if I blow the first questions I can shake it off with the knowledge I have the 5 and 6 k questions to make up for it. Besides, you ain't living on the edge until you end the game with a 10,000 point question.

Besides, if you were going to blow 1 out of 6 you were going to do it no matter the order. Less of a blow realizing it before the last question, I suppose. So far the days where I've had the best finals were days I had lower than normal going into the final.

What do you mean current version?

You wager the most points on your best category and the least on your worst, the order of the questions means squat. You're going to see them all eventually, your score will be the same regardless. Don't over think a simple strategy.

The original version of Six was worth 62.5k and in an infinitely better format. They changed the game primarily to show off snazzier graphics, something trivia players don't give two shits about. The format was as follows.

Round 1, 12 questions in 2 sets of 6. First set worth 500 each, 1000 point bonus for answering all six correctly. Second set worth 1000 each, 2000 point bonus for answering all six correctly. Round worth 12k.

Round 2, matching. Six questions where you have to match 6 items. 250 points for each correct match, 500 point bonus for matching all 6. A manly round, not the wimpy matching four currently used. Round worth 12k.

Round 3, 12 questions in 2 sets of 6. First set worth 1000 each with three possible answers, 1000 point bonus for answering all six correctly. Second set worth 1500 each with four possible answers, 1500 point bonus for answering all six correctly. Round worth 17500 points.

Round 4, same as it is now but with no bonus for answering all six correctly. Round worth 21k. Total points 62.5k.

Happy to say I did break 60k in this format solo.

For your education, five years ago we had much better premium games. Every game BT has tweaked has been for the worse. Spotlight didn't have a final question originally. Playback didn't have a headliner or the silly pound round. We had two sports games, Sports Trivia Challenge and Sports IQ, now we have no sports games. We had Passport, a geography destination game, that was axed. Showdown is the only game still as great as it once was, and that's because they haven't touched the format.

zog741 · **Posted:** Sat Dec 22, 2012 10:33 pm

mrgray wrote:

I sort of like the set order of the questions. I always bet the same way: 4,3,2 5,1,6

My order is 4, 6, 1, 5, 3, and 2. Sometimes I'll vary my 1-5 choices somewhat if I'm on a team and I know the other player's particular strengths, but the World is always my 6000-point choice, with no exceptions. I have to agree with BO's comment here: wager the points on what you know. In general, you will score more points that way.

-- RWM

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