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Happy birthday, you Season-cheatin' bastard!

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Rhino, I've come, over time, to change my thoughts on multiboxing. It may technically be cheating, but it's an accepted part of the community. Some sites tacitly allow multiboxing to permit five boxes in play; some sites have a norm of two boxes per regular player; some folks in the community play five or six boxes solo. I used to agree with you regarding multiboxing and team play being less than kosher, but after traveling around much of Buzztime World these past few years I've changed my mind.

But you do post a good idea. Let's look at it. Here are the leading sites in medals/Top 100 Score:

Medals/Top 100 Location

66.7% Buffalo Wild Wings Superstition Springs
50.0% Famous Sams Mesa
48.4% RT OSullivans
27.6% Hero's Sports Pub and Restaurant
23.7% Uncle Bears Grill and Bar
21.9% Ernesto's Mex Mex Grill
21.6% RTO Sullivans
19.5% Bob's Place
16.4% Famous Sams Gilbert

I regard all of these leading sites as outliers due to their standards of play. Here are the rest:

15.1% Buffalo Wild Wings Shreveport
15.0% 86th Street Pub
13.2% DeMoris
13.0% Shores Inn
12.7% Old Chicago Springhurst
12.0% Indigo Joes Wildwood
12.0% Buffalo Wild Wings Dayton
11.5% Runyons
11.1% Buffalo Wild Wings Albuquerque
11.0% Mezzanine Lounge
11.0% TGI Fridays Dayton
10.9% Eddies
10.7% Heroes Wichita
10.7% Buffalo Wild Wings Middletown KY
10.6% The Concert Pub
10.5% Rochester Mills
10.4% Buffalo Wild Wings Albuquerque 2
10.4% Steel Pit Sports Grill
10.3% Fletchers Pub
10.2% Catbirds
10.2% Mr Bs Restaurant Sports Lounge
10.1% Average Joes Sports Bar Ltd
10.1% Hooters of Tallahassee
10.1% Mad Jacks Sports Cafe
10.0% JJ Madisons
10.0% Elsas Cantina
10.0% Bar En Gril
10.0% Buffalo Wild Wings Bridgeport
9.8% Buffalo Wild Wings Baytown
9.8% Buffalo Wild Wings Fairfield
9.8% Danny Ks Cafe and Billiards
9.7% Friends and Co Sports Bar and Grill
9.7% Linksters Taproom Sarasota
9.7% Buffalo Wild Wings Alabaster
9.6% Beef 'O' Brady's Newburgh
9.6% Overtime Sports Cafe
9.5% Backyard Grill and Bar
9.3% Beef 'O' Brady's Enterprise
9.3% Four Corners
9.3% McKennas Seafood Inc
9.1% Buffalo Wild Wings Ft. Worth South Hulen
9.0% Jerrys Sports Grill
8.9% Buffalo Wild Wings Farmville
8.8% Uno Chicago Grill Bellingham
8.8% Buffalo Wild Wings Pat Booker
8.6% Sunsets of Woodbury
8.5% Brittanys
8.5% Buffalo Wild Wings Anderson Lane
8.5% Dan McGuinness Pub
8.5% Buffalo Wild Wings Lake Forest
8.4% Middletown Tavern and Grill
8.4% Old Chicago Overland Park
8.2% Cadillac Jacks
8.2% Buffalo Wild Wings Skibo Road
8.2% East Side Marios Lakewood
8.2% Breaking Tradition
8.1% Maeves Residuals
7.9% Coaches Sports Grill
7.8% Palms Bar and Grill
7.7% Side Pockets St Charles
7.7% Renos Eastside Sports Bar
7.7% Buffalo Wild Wings Ironton
7.7% Bargos
7.6% Buffalo Wild Wings Bloomington Rd
7.6% Chase Club
7.6% Hokie House
7.5% Sidelines Sports Grill
7.4% Buffalo Wild Wings Cincinnati
7.4% Touch of Class Gaming Room

As an aside, medal games are 7.4% of top 100 games for the entire Top 200 sites.

Here are the below-par sites:

7.3% Buffalo Wild Wings Flint
7.3% Old Chicago 7071 Okemos
7.3% Blue Goose Sports Cafe
7.3% Canyon City Wood Grill Saloon Eatery
7.3% Mitchs Corner
7.2% In The Zone
7.1% Buffalo Wild Wings Eau Claire
7.1% Rembrandts
7.0% TGI Fridays York
7.0% Diamond Strike Lanes
7.0% Pineapple Hill Saloon and Grill
6.9% Buffalo Wild Wings Lima
6.9% Macs Tavern
6.9% Cave Springs Lanes
6.9% Bargos Grill and Tap
6.9% Pounders Bar and Grill
6.9% SRO OT
6.8% Big Guys
6.8% Stewarts Brewing
6.8% Bostons Gourmet Pizza Albuquerque
6.8% Morgan's Sports Bar and Lounge
6.6% West Street Bar and Grill
6.6% Boogies Diner
6.6% Scoreboard
6.6% Minskys Pizza
6.5% Underdog Sports Bar
6.5% Adams Mill Restaurant
6.5% Buffalo Wild Wings Huber Heights
6.5% Buffalo Wild Wings Joplin
6.4% Old Chicago Glendale 7007
6.4% Hard Times Cafe and Cue
6.3% Sams All American Sports Grill
6.2% Champs Sports Grill
6.2% Old Chicago Broomfield 52
6.1% Buffalo Wild Wings North Myrtle Beach
6.0% TGI Fridays Huber Heights
6.0% Buffalo Wild Wings Ft. Myers
6.0% Merks Bar and Grill
6.0% Uno Chicago Grill Dedham
5.9% Retros Bar
5.9% Buffalo Wild Wings Kent
5.9% Spectators Sports Bar and Grill
5.9% Buffalo Wild Wings Troy OH
5.9% Boathouse Landing
5.8% Diamond Lils
5.8% Varsity Grill & Bar
5.8% Anglers Beachside Grill
5.8% Lakewood Bar and Grill
5.6% Manhattans NY Deli and Pub
5.6% Zacks Place
5.5% Legends
5.5% Buffalo Wild Wings Centennial Parkway
5.5% TJ Mulligans
5.5% Ol Mexico
5.5% Pacific Beach Bar and Grill
5.5% Scooter's Pub Sports Bar & Grill
5.4% St Louis Sports Zone
5.4% Buffalo Wild Wings Mayfair
5.3% Jakes
5.3% Home Turf Sports Bar
5.2% Hooters of Maryland Heights
5.1% Sammys Tap and Grill
5.1% Scotland Yard Esplanade
5.1% Grotto Pizza Wilkes Barre
5.1% Buffalo Wild Wings Polaris
5.0% Stadium Cafe
5.0% Buffalo Wild Wings Moline IL
4.8% Primetime Sports Grill
4.7% TGI Fridays 1406 Fort Walton Beach
4.7% Moose and Firkin
4.7% Cathie's Casino
4.6% McGillacuddys
4.6% Buffalo Wild Wings Winchester
4.5% Vernon's Grill
4.5% Buffalo Wild Wings West Chester
4.4% Fast Eddies Billards Cafe Springfield
4.4% CKs Tavern and Grill
4.4% JWs Restaurant and Lounge
4.3% Buffalo Wild Wings Kettering
4.3% Black Angus San Bernardino
4.2% Piflers
4.2% Buffalo Wild Wings Eagan
4.2% Buffalo Wild Wings Bloomington IL
4.1% OBrians Sports Tavern
4.1% Schanks Athletic Club North
4.1% Brus Sports Grill
4.1% Buffalo Wild Wings Belden Village OH
4.1% Maguires Bar and Grill
4.0% Houligans
4.0% Bulls Club
4.0% Teasers
3.9% TGI Fridays Pensacola
3.9% Wild Hare Sports Cafe Irmo
3.9% Stokes Inland
3.8% Sandbar and Grill
3.8% JoJos Sports Bar
3.8% Wrigley Field Bar and Grill
3.7% Holly Dollys
3.7% Buffalos Bar and Grill III
3.7% Buffalo Wild Wings Moore
3.7% Old Chicago Coralville
3.7% Rum Runners
3.6% Fat Daddys Pub and Grille
3.4% Sea Dog Brewing Bangor
3.4% Peanuts
3.4% Bobalouies Grill and Sports Bar
3.4% Toucans
3.4% Overtime Sports Bar and Grill
3.3% Archibalds Pub
3.3% Hometown Heros
3.3% Oskies Sports Bar and Grill
3.2% Owl and Firkin
3.2% Buffalo Wild Wings New Berlin
3.2% Kilroys Restaurant
3.1% Buffalo Wild Wings Marion OH
3.0% One Double Oh Seven Club
3.0% Foxboro Sports Tavern
2.9% JP Shakers Sports Bar and Grill
2.7% Blue Lagoon Saloon
2.6% The Arena
2.4% Locos Deli And Pub
1.7% Spot on the Alley

I think that your idea has both merit and challenges, Rhino. My site multiboxes and we play during the early medal games of the day. We should be lowered in relative standing if the metric is measuring what you want; sure enough, we are lowered about ten spots (discounting the previously mentioned outliers). Some other sites that I believe should be lowered drop significantly.

But some sites of which I think pretty highly just collapse in this metric...I'm happier with my original metric to determine average quality of play. I do see where you (or JOKER, playing in Shreveport) might prefer this metric. I certainly agree that the results are interesting...thanks for suggesting it, RHINO.

Correct. Whatever metric you all decide, if we ever to play more and be up there, we'd probably get dropped out, because if we do not multi-box, there will not be a bar score in our location. We very rarely have more than 4 people playing, and most of the time (until much later in the night) it's only 2. Given we play for a bar score, without multi-boxing, there'd be no point in playing at all.

Obviously no single metric is perfect but I think this is a good one - Thanks for the full listing. The only bugaboos here are lag cheats/Appeteaser timezoners and game-killers, all of which tend to stand out under close scrutiny. The list divided as you did seems a very close approximation to an intuitive ranking of bars on the basis of those which are very very good at team play including multiboxing when they attempt the same.

EDIT: It's worth noting that my prefernce is not at all related to my bar rank. Not only would it be an also-ran in any metric, but it's an impossible hybrid to measure against other bars. Most of my play is either solo or less often semi-assisted by the wife just in discussion. We play full team on Tuesdays and, very recently, on tournament Wednesdays. Occasionally the owner will instigate bar-sharing (which is sadly me and a couple of every-so often helpers then a bunch of button-pushers) during off-premium games. That's why the medal count is so slanted (the only other possible explanation would be that I am the world's biggest sandbagger, and I get more black looks for suggesting wrong answers than withholding right ones believe me). While I have been on "the dark side" of collective play quite a bit lately, bar rank except on discrete SD and team-Six games is well down my list of key metrics.

As far as the collapse of favored bars go, it's worth considering why they were highly thought of in the first place. Usually this is because of board appearances or knowing a player or two. Bars seen on the leaderboards a lot could be because 1) an excellent team or amazing soloist is there a normal amount of the time 2) a decent but variable team is there constantly. The latter will fare worse on this metric, and to me rightly so. A bar that elevates medal counts through 12 hour a day play scooping up LT and barely-1000 midday BT wins is not as good as a bar that gets the same number of medals in primetime three or four days a week. Of course the same will be true of bars where excellent teams go infrequently, and mediocre players go frequently, so it's worth looking one level down at key player metrics not just at the location level if you want to differentiate. One of my own highly favored bars suffers here too. Scotland Yard has several excellent players who normally compete solo or in smaller groups, but also sometimes as a bar team. If they teamed constantly they would be much higher in any ranking, but 'tis not their style.

Oh and yes I should acknowledge that there are at least two places where very good teams/soloists are there constantly. Medal rankings identify them cleary enough!

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